I hope this guy dies a horrible horrible death

[Bikerboy]

I don't think it is that serious because the whole situation that he describes is clearly a lie, therefore the whole basis of his point can't be true.

However I will say he is a shit stirring bastard.

AND the only reason he probably tells those 'jokes' is because it gains him popularity with most Texans, or any other American on that 'central belt' or whatever it's called. I still question his seriousness.

[humndislocation]

I don't think it makes a difference if the actual story isn't true, it's the sentiment behind what he's saying that we're complaining about.

The actual story isn't serious, but the sentiment behind it is.

Even if he's just saying what people want to hear, for commercial gain, and doesn't actually believe it, I don't think that makes him much better than if he actually believed it.

[Scruffy]

I would only agree with what he was saying if the situation he refers to actually happened and both involved were drunk.

wha?

agreed this should happen, asshole. This is me abusing Americas right of freedom of speech.

eh?

You make NO sense. How are you abusing America's right of freedom of speech? Eejit.

[vivouk]

Thanks for the warning.

P.S. http://www.workingforchange.com/comic.cfm?itemid=21043

[Bikerboy]

Originally Posted by humndislocation

I don't think it makes a difference if the actual story isn't true, it's the sentiment behind what he's saying that we're complaining about.

The actual story isn't serious, but the sentiment behind it is.

Even if he's just saying what people want to hear, for commercial gain, and doesn't actually believe it, I don't think that makes him much better than if he actually believed it.

Aft fair do's he's a tit, so are the majority of his audience, even if he is bamming folk up. I actually believe that he's just try to evoke a response though, so that his 'controversial' status goes through the roof and he gets more airtime. You are right though, that doesn't make it right, however he's hardly an exception, there are numerous examples of similar occurrences (especially within comedy) which I'm sure most people are aware of, and I've heard very very little, particularly on this site, of any responses quite like the ones in this thread.

I'm also under the impression the one person who is actually a fan of his 'work' (who has posted on this thread that is, not globally) has said he is not actually racist (I'd like to see how not but I'm not incredibly interested in being bored for an hour). The point being I HAVENT seen enough his comedy to make such judgements and I doubt the more frequent posters on this thread have either. But we're all snappy with the judgements when we're behind a keyboard so I will not deny probably being wrong, if I wasn't I'm sure I would never be told the truth, I am questioning peoples honesty over the net I apologise.

Also, back to an earleir point, your right big HD, no-one questioned his right to say what he has/does, and I merely probably did create an argument for nothing. I'm not terribly sorry about this, for what I said isn't untrue, and it does relate to the topic of the thread. As far as I'm aware that's not against any rules within UGS, merely looking at thing from a different perspective, rather than this man should die for what he says.

And Scruffy my humblest critic (so few words to explain your aggravations, I hope I deal with them appropriately). I'll try to explain fully my comments cherishing pin pointing your main area's of concern.

The situation that he claims occurred is so ridiculous that I believe that both participants would have to be extremely drunk for it to have actually occurred. Apologies if the mass confusion caused you to be upset in anyway or form.

I'm quite aware that Freedom of Speech is a Human Right generally speaking, yet I decided to be a tiny bit satirical/sarcastic/bastard-esque over the fact that America has decidedly written it's own 'Bill of Rights', (this may not be the correct name for the document mentioned, sorry if this causes yet another uproar due to the apparently stupid things that I say on this site) that actually states American's as a people have the right to freedom of speech, fair enough, I just wanted to point this out in a way that I myself found amusing at the time.

Please feel free to point out any further discreprencies with my posts, I look forward to being able to get people worked up over the internet as soon as humanly possible.

[: : Scott : :]

Originally Posted by Bikerboy

stuff

My impression is that no one is pissed off with the actual content of what guy is saying, more the context in which he's saying it. His delivery is trite, racist, and profoundly unfunny.

Think about someone like Chris Morris talking about a subject like paedophilia and being hilarious, because his satire is great. This guy, as you pointed out, is likely going for shock, but at the end of the day it's just prejudiced shit and really not funny.


Someone like Andy Dice Clay can pull of the "I'm SOOO offensive thing and I SOOO don't care" thing and get away with it, but this guy unfortunately can't.

[Scruffy]

I've had a wee read over what I've said throughout this thread and I can't really find anywhere that suggests I've got upset or overly worked up about what yourself or anyone else is saying, so there's no need for you to apologise.

But cheers for explaining what you meant in your previous post, I can now really see where you're coming from. Having had a bit of a think about what you've been saying I don't necessarily disagree with you either, it's just that i feel we're approaching his statement from different perspectives: I'm looking at what he said and you're looking at why he said it.

Carlos Mencia's comments themselves got me worked up, upset and concerned, not what anyone else has subsequently said about them. Due to my own personal views about the situation I think what he said was bang out of order and I don't think you contest that regardless of what his motives were.

What saddens me even more is the response that he recieved. I can't possibly imagine anyone in Britain or Spain (remember the Madrid bombings) reacting in such a way despite similar attacks although of course perhaps I'm wrong. I've said it before; it saddens me that Americans have this childish oneupmanship attitude about these things.

In conclusion, apologies if I appeared to get overly pissed off at bikerboy or anyone else in this thread, calling you an eejit though not intended to cause offence (eejit being a fairly inoffensive word over here comparable to "silly billy") was probably out of order in retrospect.

I hope I've clarified stuff and if not I'll keep my opinions to myself in future.

[thomasjmaccoll]

and I'm sorry if by only posting about banksy earlier in this thread i have caused anyone any undue worry or serious concern over my serious stance on this issue. by ignoring the case in hand and posting on an irrelevant topic i am aware that i may have caused some people to subscribe to the view that i did not have an opinion on this guy and the 'video' of him seen earlier. after considering my actions i would again like to apologise for any distress caused to the other users of this forum.

i hope that i have dealt adequately with any points raised and that you will continue to seriously ponder the content of my posts in future.