Heather Mills...

[Fritz]

Originally Posted by bobby

the beatles are probably the most over-rated and over- celebrated act in music's history anyway.

Ah, the old Beatles debate. You should take care young Bobby as there are plenty of those around who will take huge offence to such statements!

I've been involved in countless discussions over The Beatles best-thing-since-sliced-bread status and I've found that the dedicated fans often push the arguement that The Beatles effectively invented the pop song and without their influence the music of today just would not be the same. That's something I completely agree with. I've read loads of interviews with folk who cite them as major influence in their music and who have in turn influenced and inspired me. However, whenever I'm encountered with the classic, 'What do you mean you don't have The Beatles in your top 5 favourite bands of all time?!?!?? They fucking influenced everyone you listen to!!!!' I feel it makes sense to answer with this:

What do you reckon you would have more fun driving? A Ford Model T (developed in 1908 and one of the first mass produced cars) or a Dodge Viper(current 2008 model hits 202mph)?

P.S. Heather Mills must die.

[daniel_goldbloom]

Originally Posted by bobby

if people stopped hooing and haaing over mccartney (not even the brains of the group).

Woah there, Timpson.
McCartney & Lennon were very much the brains of the group (unless you meant Ringo). Harrison had his moments, but the most famous songwriting partnership of all time!, wrote the bulk of the songs. It would be ludicrous to suggest that Lennon wrote all the songs and McCartney just dossed about and took half the credit, wouldn't it? Eh?
Even from someone who doesn't really care for The Beatles, I don't understand why there is a so much anti-McCartney feeling. He's done some utter shite (Frog Chorus, Mull of Kintyre), there was that nonsense about him changing the names round for individual song credits and he still uses the word groovy, but that's about it, isn't it?
For those that are a bit more up on the Beatles than I am, why should I hate the man?

[SuperMike!]

Lennon has the advantage of his recording career being prematurely ended, saving his legacy from being "tainted" by another 3 decades of sub-par solo material. Leaving aside that there seems to be very little of his solo career that is widely help up as exemplary work...

McCartney's main crime seems to be refusing to retire.

[Thee Alex]

And Lennon was already getting shit by the time he was killed ('Imagine' is total garbage).

The Beatles were crap, and the argument that they invented the pop song is just bollocks, there were other bands doing the EXACT same thing around at the time, they just happened to be the 'first past the post'

[SuperMike!]

Originally Posted by Thee Alex

'Imagine' is total garbage

And is the only defence of Lennon's solo career that anyone i've spoken to can muster.

[Vikrum]

As much as i believe the "how can you not like the Beatles when they've influenced bands you DO like" argument is RIDICULOUS, i struggle to see why people don't love the Beatles. Genuinely.

[SuperMike!]

I like everything pre "Sgt. Peppers".

[SuperMike!]

But Buddy Holly's where it's really at.

[Lynnie]

Originally Posted by SuperMike!

But Buddy Holly's where it's really at.

quoted for truth.

amoungst the expenses heather was trying to get, there was "£30,000 p.a. for equestrian activities (she no longer rides), £39,000 p.a. for wine (she does not drink alcohol)"

haha what an idiot. and im sure there was something about her wanting money to use for charitable donations too...

[Rosco the Bosco]

Originally Posted by bobby

the Beatles are probably the most over-rated and over- celebrated act in music's history anyway.

Incorrect!

I just reckon that people who say they don't like the Beatles haven't listened to them properly. Abbey Road is an absolute masterpiece, but most casual listeners only really know the obvious singles - like from that number 1's album. Some of their best stuff isn't even on the albums - "Rain" for example, is a pure belter. Think that was a double A side with paperback writer.

There is SO much material, i find it hard to believe that there isn't something for everyone.

Then again, you also get folk who say they don't like the Beatles to look cool, or appear controversial.



Anyway - Heather Mills - cunt.
I pure love the Beatles me.

[humndislocation]

I think the Beatles are insanely overrated, not because they weren't good, but because like many other popular bands, people put them on this stupidly high pedestal, that no band could ever live up to.

Many people seem to think that the quality of a band increases, every time they influence someone, such that no band that comes after the original band, can ever be better or more talented than the original band.

For other examples of this effect, see Metallica, Nirvana.

Originally Posted by Vikrum

As much as i believe the "how can you not like the Beatles when they've influenced bands you DO like" argument is RIDICULOUS, i struggle to see why people don't love the Beatles. Genuinely.

Arghhhh I fucking hate that argument (the "how can you not like the Beatles when they've influenced bands you DO like" one, not what you just said).

I'm not saying The Beatles fit this description, but if you wait 40-50 years, you'll find that any mediocre, but extremely popular band will have influenced many many other bands. That doesn't make the mediocre band any less mediocre. Wait 50 years, and I guarantee you there will be scores of bands that are influenced by even the most boring, unimaginitive, overrated shit of today.

The fact that a band influenced other bands, doesn't make the original band better than one that hasn't. Metallica have influenced many, many great bands, but that doesn't make them better than all of those bands. This is a concept a lot of people seem to have trouble with.

Also, just because a band is influenced by another band, it doesn't follow that the second band would never have existed if not for the first.

[LesMts]

Originally Posted by Rosco the Bosco

I just reckon that people who say they don't like the Beatles haven't listened to them properly.

"If you don't agree with me, then you must not understand the issue."
How immensely (and embarrassingly) conceited.

[Rosco the Bosco]

Originally Posted by LesMts

"If you don't agree with me, then you must not understand the issue."
How immensely (and embarrassingly) conceited.

lol. correct!

What i mean is, that i think a lot of folk are put off with the overplayed cheesy early hits (most of which are only singles, and never appeared on albums), so they don't bother listening to the actual albums - which in my opinion is where the best stuff is.