Janis At Emergenza, On Emergenza

Emergenza · 28th May 2004, 12:56 AM

V.Interesting comments being made on the competition. i Must say I am most disappointed that the majority of participating bands did not call/email the office with their queries, but instead chose to slate us in a forum.

To clear up a few issues: All bands were told that they would receive Â£50 back for 50 tickets sold. Secrets We've Told sold a lot more and made Â£130 back on their tickets, i am sorry if this has disappointed you guys, but most bands would be delighted to make so much money for a 25 minute gig.

It is a Â£40 enrollment fee. Not pay to play! This fee covers the loss of unproffesional bands who do not turn up for gigs. For those who do turn up, what do you get for that? Sticks, strings, advertised on our site, admin. costs and money back on your ticket sales. May I also point out that this is a ONE OFF FEE and any band wishing to gig with Emergenza or enter this event again are welcomed FREE OF CHARGE.

"Emergenza keep the money" is another interesting point. Actually, the money goes towards paying for gigs at large venues such as Fat Sams, Carling Academy, London Astoria and hiring professional sound and stage personnel. It also goes towards flying our winning bands down to London, to Germany and eventually to the USA. Some is spent on all the tickets and posters the bands are issued. Some on the national advertising campaing in the NME and Kerrang. Some on the many visits I made to Dundee to meet with you all (although I am sorry some find the competition badly organised) and some to repair the laptop needed to keep an accurate account of band time slots and meeting dates which, for the record, had broken down, not lost.

As for the sticks and strings, they were given out at the gigs. If anyone would care to check our website, it does state quite clearly that the first 260 bands enrolled receive these, but as Dundee was the final city almost all bands received freebies.

The passes were made available at the very first Dundee heat...where's the problem here? One band came along to a heat in Glasgow before the Dundee heats started and were welcomed in and not charged.

As for sound/stage tech's claiming to know about the results of votes, they are paid to do their job and have absolutely no idea what the votes are on the night.

Supposedly we do not count the votes? What would be the point in that??? I am not tied to any band in Dundee, or anywhere else for that matter, so what reason would I have to 'fix' votes? Also, we do a hand count in front of EVERYONE so the votes cannot be fixed! This is a fair process as the crowd can vote as many bands as they please.

Winning bands are not decided upon ticket sales.

Example 1: DUNDEE, 3 tickets sold, through to the final.

Example 2: GLASGOW, Sound Development Agency, no tickets sold, through to the semi final.

Example 3: SOUTHAMPTON, Toupe, 2 tickets sold, won their Regional Final, won the UK final, played in front of 35,000 at the Taubertal Festival in Germany, with Emergenza.

If you are good enough you will win any crowd over regardless of how many tickets you sell.

I put one band through each night on the band vote. Why? As I want this to be a battle of the bands, not a battle of the fans. Now I am reading that this is out of order as it is not what I said at the first meeting?? What's your point here guys? These changes are made to make it a better competition, giving all bands a fair crack at the whip regardless of how many fans they bring!

Tickets were actually Â£6 on the door. We advertise Â£8 on door so fans will buy tickets from the bands...i.e. so the bands make money! The majority of bands who played Emergenza walked away with at least Â£50 in their pocket, something most organisations can't say.

We encourage bands to sell tickets. Why? Well our worst night saw bands playing to a crowd of 150 and our best night saw them play to a crowd of 350. Surely this in itself makes Emergenza a worthwhile gig.

All nights were 18+. All bands were told this at their initial meeting.

I hope that clears up everything but if not please feel free to contact the office directly with your queries.

It is most disappointing to see bands who took part (and have mentioned nothing at the meetings set up to cover any issues) are slating us. Especially as a few of you are through to the final.

On a lighter note, myself and the Emergenza team are very impressed with the quality of bands in Dundee and look forward to seeing you all again on the 17th at Fatties.

Rosco the Bosco · 28th May 2004, 01:17 AM

Woo hoo. Go Janis. You rock.

Misanthropy · 28th May 2004, 02:33 AM

aye, way to post the same thread twice. why do I get the feeling you've had to copy + paste this to quite a few different sites?

andrewforce5 · 28th May 2004, 02:45 AM

two things i found funny:

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Originally Posted by Emergenza

Fat Sams, Carling Academy, London Astoria

2.

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Originally Posted by Emergenza

If you are good enough you will win any crowd over regardless of how many tickets you sell.

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Originally Posted by Emergenza

giving all bands a fair crack at the whip regardless of how many fans they bring!

i don't have a problem with emergenza i just thought it was funny

we'll maybe enter next year...

Thee Alex · 28th May 2004, 06:10 AM

Fuck Emergenza and fuck Janice.

Paying to Play a battle of the bands is bollocks and most of those expenses are bollocks. They have suckered the bands who entered (most of which would suck off their own grandad for a chance of fame) and they have made the Dundee music scene look like a fucking joke.

Marco · 28th May 2004, 07:22 AM

they've made the dundee music scene look like a joke? Some questionable methods, but I wouldn't quite say that Alex.

The one problem I have with emergenza and is probably the same problem most people have is the the silly voting system. I'd much rather prefer a panel of judges, cos I mean any of your mates in the crowd could say "yeah your great" and stick a hand up to try and get you through. But it would be completely, straight down the middle fair if a judge(s) made the call on who was going through. In reply to what janis said, everyone would have liked to have told you that, but nobody did because we all understand you're not gonna change the rules half way through the competition.

Having said that my band entered the competition knowing all of these things, and had a good time anyway, it was a brilliant sound, and a good night really, the place was packed, we didn't go through, but then who cares! I had a good time.

Degze · 28th May 2004, 07:46 AM

theres just no pleasing some folk.
thanks to this compo in dundee bands have played to decent crowds for a change,to folk who prob havnae seen a band since their last wedding,to folk who who refuse to go see a band cause their mates are not in them.
i dont know about anyone else but i fair enjoyed the heats i went to and played,met great folk,enjoyed great music and enjoyed playing to a new crowd who hadnae heard us.
everyone in my band payed Â£10 each (Â£40),i got bass string that cost somthing like Â£20,then drum sticks,+2 sets of guitar strings-that goes over Â£40!
didnt pay the sound guy,didnt pay anything apart from the folk behind the bar for booze!
And as for it would be better with a panal of judges judging- no no no no no! nothing but conspirisy theorys are dreamed up!
crowd vote-unless your blind you can see whos gona win it.

Garywag · 28th May 2004, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Thee Alex

Fuck Emergenza and fuck Janice.

Man that's a really shitty and uncalled for comment.

We've met Janis a few times when we were in Emergenza and she was a really nice, helpful, friendly person and she's came on here to explain everything but ur still not happy.

As for Emergenza and Dundee scene becoming a joke out of it, I duno bout the 2nd part as I don't know how different Dundee's version was to Glasgow's but in Glasgow, each member of my band payed Â£10 each which is less than I'd pay for 2 practises and got 2 really good, really packed gigs out of it.

We barely sold any tickets for our 1st heat but got through on the crowd vote so what Janis said about that was true although I cant deny that I'd prefer it to be judges than the crowd but we still won over a crowd that didn't know us and that was 1 of my proudest musical moments.

We made the semis at the Barfly. Sadly we were on 1st which probably didn't make it as good as it could have been with a place at Carling Academy at stake and to get there after 2 really good gigs makes Â£40 seem like nothing really.

We didn't get through but we were happy with the way it was ran etc and look forward to taking part again next year where we don't have to pay any money and to hopefully get to the Academy this time.

I've not met any other bands in Glasgow that have a bad thing to say about Emergenza so I dont see why it's so different in Dundee.

If you dont like it "Thee Alex" then ignore it, no one is asking u to take part, speaking of which, have u even taken part anyway?

Garywag · 28th May 2004, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Degze

And as for it would be better with a panal of judges judging- no no no no no! nothing but conspirisy theorys are dreamed up!
crowd vote-unless your blind you can see whos gona win it.

Actually you make a very good point. I hadn't thought of that

J.C. · 28th May 2004, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thee Alex

Fuck Emergenza and fuck Janice.

Paying to Play a battle of the bands is bollocks and most of those expenses are bollocks. They have suckered the bands who entered (most of which would suck off their own grandad for a chance of fame) and they have made the Dundee music scene look like a fucking joke.

No you sound like a joke you sad little man, what are you doing for any scene except your own anal attempt at whatever it is you think you are doing

try a liitle this

and not being a

little puppy.

Marco · 28th May 2004, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Degze

theres just no pleasing some folk.
thanks to this compo in dundee bands have played to decent crowds for a change,to folk who prob havnae seen a band since their last wedding,to folk who who refuse to go see a band cause their mates are not in them.
i dont know about anyone else but i fair enjoyed the heats i went to and played,met great folk,enjoyed great music and enjoyed playing to a new crowd who hadnae heard us.
everyone in my band payed Â£10 each (Â£40),i got bass string that cost somthing like Â£20,then drum sticks,+2 sets of guitar strings-that goes over Â£40!
didnt pay the sound guy,didnt pay anything apart from the folk behind the bar for booze!
And as for it would be better with a panal of judges judging- no no no no no! nothing but conspirisy theorys are dreamed up!
crowd vote-unless your blind you can see whos gona win it.

Man, as I said in my post i totaly enjoyed the gig. But while we were on the subject I thought I'd give my opinion, thats what all this is about, isn't it.

I still think a panel of judges would be better for the fact that bands would be judged on musical ability, stage pressence, that kinda thing. You'd see even tighter competition that way I think. Conspirisy theories are dreamed up any way you look at it, conspirisy theories have been thought up about the voting system they have now, I'd just prefer a panel of judges, i see more pros than cons with that method.

Gowans · 28th May 2004, 11:36 AM

If it was a true battle of the bands then surely you the judges, should be putting people through on there abilitly, style etc. Theres no point in haveing a crowd vote as it turns into who has the most mates rather than who was actually the best, even with a crowd vote people turn up late as there mates band is on last, so they never get to see or here the rest of the bands ?? i think they way you choose ure bands should be revised. .

But after saying that emergenza is a great thing for young bands, and if it was more fair would earn much more respect

Garywag · 28th May 2004, 11:47 AM

Can I also point out on the money side of things that for my Â£10 I have also been to 3 Emergenza gigs that my band wasn't involved in. Tickets for that are Â£6 but i got into each 1 for free with my pass saving me Â£18, i mite go to the final aswell which is another Â£6 saving and that goes with the 2 really good gigs that we played. If we'd sold more tickets we'd have also made money out of it

So whats so bad about Emergenza exactly?

28th May 2004, 12:56 AM	#1 (permalink)
Emergenza Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 5	Janis At Emergenza, On Emergenza V.Interesting comments being made on the competition. i Must say I am most disappointed that the majority of participating bands did not call/email the office with their queries, but instead chose to slate us in a forum. To clear up a few issues: All bands were told that they would receive Â£50 back for 50 tickets sold. Secrets We've Told sold a lot more and made Â£130 back on their tickets, i am sorry if this has disappointed you guys, but most bands would be delighted to make so much money for a 25 minute gig. It is a Â£40 enrollment fee. Not pay to play! This fee covers the loss of unproffesional bands who do not turn up for gigs. For those who do turn up, what do you get for that? Sticks, strings, advertised on our site, admin. costs and money back on your ticket sales. May I also point out that this is a ONE OFF FEE and any band wishing to gig with Emergenza or enter this event again are welcomed FREE OF CHARGE. "Emergenza keep the money" is another interesting point. Actually, the money goes towards paying for gigs at large venues such as Fat Sams, Carling Academy, London Astoria and hiring professional sound and stage personnel. It also goes towards flying our winning bands down to London, to Germany and eventually to the USA. Some is spent on all the tickets and posters the bands are issued. Some on the national advertising campaing in the NME and Kerrang. Some on the many visits I made to Dundee to meet with you all (although I am sorry some find the competition badly organised) and some to repair the laptop needed to keep an accurate account of band time slots and meeting dates which, for the record, had broken down, not lost. As for the sticks and strings, they were given out at the gigs. If anyone would care to check our website, it does state quite clearly that the first 260 bands enrolled receive these, but as Dundee was the final city almost all bands received freebies. The passes were made available at the very first Dundee heat...where's the problem here? One band came along to a heat in Glasgow before the Dundee heats started and were welcomed in and not charged. As for sound/stage tech's claiming to know about the results of votes, they are paid to do their job and have absolutely no idea what the votes are on the night. Supposedly we do not count the votes? What would be the point in that??? I am not tied to any band in Dundee, or anywhere else for that matter, so what reason would I have to 'fix' votes? Also, we do a hand count in front of EVERYONE so the votes cannot be fixed! This is a fair process as the crowd can vote as many bands as they please. Winning bands are not decided upon ticket sales. Example 1: DUNDEE, 3 tickets sold, through to the final. Example 2: GLASGOW, Sound Development Agency, no tickets sold, through to the semi final. Example 3: SOUTHAMPTON, Toupe, 2 tickets sold, won their Regional Final, won the UK final, played in front of 35,000 at the Taubertal Festival in Germany, with Emergenza. If you are good enough you will win any crowd over regardless of how many tickets you sell. I put one band through each night on the band vote. Why? As I want this to be a battle of the bands, not a battle of the fans. Now I am reading that this is out of order as it is not what I said at the first meeting?? What's your point here guys? These changes are made to make it a better competition, giving all bands a fair crack at the whip regardless of how many fans they bring! Tickets were actually Â£6 on the door. We advertise Â£8 on door so fans will buy tickets from the bands...i.e. so the bands make money! The majority of bands who played Emergenza walked away with at least Â£50 in their pocket, something most organisations can't say. We encourage bands to sell tickets. Why? Well our worst night saw bands playing to a crowd of 150 and our best night saw them play to a crowd of 350. Surely this in itself makes Emergenza a worthwhile gig. All nights were 18+. All bands were told this at their initial meeting. I hope that clears up everything but if not please feel free to contact the office directly with your queries. It is most disappointing to see bands who took part (and have mentioned nothing at the meetings set up to cover any issues) are slating us. Especially as a few of you are through to the final. On a lighter note, myself and the Emergenza team are very impressed with the quality of bands in Dundee and look forward to seeing you all again on the 17th at Fatties.

28th May 2004, 07:22 AM	#6 (permalink)
Marco Scream for me Norwich! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 2,761 Band: ?	they've made the dundee music scene look like a joke? Some questionable methods, but I wouldn't quite say that Alex. The one problem I have with emergenza and is probably the same problem most people have is the the silly voting system. I'd much rather prefer a panel of judges, cos I mean any of your mates in the crowd could say "yeah your great" and stick a hand up to try and get you through. But it would be completely, straight down the middle fair if a judge(s) made the call on who was going through. In reply to what janis said, everyone would have liked to have told you that, but nobody did because we all understand you're not gonna change the rules half way through the competition. Having said that my band entered the competition knowing all of these things, and had a good time anyway, it was a brilliant sound, and a good night really, the place was packed, we didn't go through, but then who cares! I had a good time. Last edited by Marco : 28th May 2004 at 07:46 AM.

28th May 2004, 01:17 AM	#2 (permalink)
Rosco the Bosco Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Dundee Posts: 2,634 Band: No, i've never been Banned.	Woo hoo. Go Janis. You rock.

28th May 2004, 02:33 AM	#3 (permalink)
Misanthropy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Dundee Posts: 4,101	aye, way to post the same thread twice. why do I get the feeling you've had to copy + paste this to quite a few different sites?

28th May 2004, 06:10 AM	#5 (permalink)
Thee Alex Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Solihull, West Midlands Posts: 3,643 Band: Thee Moths, Wülfstabber, Explosions and Screaming, Catface, DJ Wrong Homer, Señor Citizen, Thee Infinite Golden Universe, Sports, WRRRMS, former member of Lipsick!	Fuck Emergenza and fuck Janice. Paying to Play a battle of the bands is bollocks and most of those expenses are bollocks. They have suckered the bands who entered (most of which would suck off their own grandad for a chance of fame) and they have made the Dundee music scene look like a fucking joke.

28th May 2004, 07:46 AM	#7 (permalink)
Degze Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Dundee Posts: 530	theres just no pleasing some folk. thanks to this compo in dundee bands have played to decent crowds for a change,to folk who prob havnae seen a band since their last wedding,to folk who who refuse to go see a band cause their mates are not in them. i dont know about anyone else but i fair enjoyed the heats i went to and played,met great folk,enjoyed great music and enjoyed playing to a new crowd who hadnae heard us. everyone in my band payed Â£10 each (Â£40),i got bass string that cost somthing like Â£20,then drum sticks,+2 sets of guitar strings-that goes over Â£40! didnt pay the sound guy,didnt pay anything apart from the folk behind the bar for booze! And as for it would be better with a panal of judges judging- no no no no no! nothing but conspirisy theorys are dreamed up! crowd vote-unless your blind you can see whos gona win it.

28th May 2004, 11:36 AM	#12 (permalink)
Gowans GINGER NINJA ! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dundee Posts: 2,055	If it was a true battle of the bands then surely you the judges, should be putting people through on there abilitly, style etc. Theres no point in haveing a crowd vote as it turns into who has the most mates rather than who was actually the best, even with a crowd vote people turn up late as there mates band is on last, so they never get to see or here the rest of the bands ?? i think they way you choose ure bands should be revised. . But after saying that emergenza is a great thing for young bands, and if it was more fair would earn much more respect

28th May 2004, 11:47 AM	#13 (permalink)
Garywag Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bishopbriggs, Glasgow Posts: 1,829	Can I also point out on the money side of things that for my Â£10 I have also been to 3 Emergenza gigs that my band wasn't involved in. Tickets for that are Â£6 but i got into each 1 for free with my pass saving me Â£18, i mite go to the final aswell which is another Â£6 saving and that goes with the 2 really good gigs that we played. If we'd sold more tickets we'd have also made money out of it So whats so bad about Emergenza exactly?

28th May 2004, 12:01 PM	#14 (permalink)
Rosco the Bosco Senior Member