Home recording Set up - Page 3

mrlizard · 3rd July 2007, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Thee Alex

Robin, it's possible to make fantastic recordings on a dictaphone. The notion that something should sound like a Muse single, and that if it doesn't it's 'demo' quality', is completely wrong.

recommend anyone out there to completely ignore what you or I say and just go with what works for them.

I agree with both points. You're not an engineer though alex, it's not my job to make stuff sound shite on purpose unless i'm asked to.

stuartmaxwell · 3rd July 2007, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by mrlizard

I agree with both points. You're not an engineer though alex, it's not my job to make stuff sound shite on purpose unless i'm asked to.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

mrlizard · 3rd July 2007, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Thee Alex

?????

Making things sound 'shit on purpose'?? What the fuck are you on about? And I may not be charging £75 a day but I've been recording myself and other bands for a VERY long time now so I do have some idea what I'm talking about.

You really do come over as very condescending indeed.

Could you go into any venue and do sound for a band? Could you go into any studio and know exactly what you are doing? Do you know how to troubleshoot, fault find, know anything about electronics?

if the answer is yes to all of them, then you are an engineer.

mrlizard · 3rd July 2007, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Thee Alex

?????

Making things sound 'shit on purpose'?? What the fuck are you on about? And I may not be charging £75 a day but I've been recording myself and other bands for a VERY long time now so I do have some idea what I'm talking about.

You really do come over as very condescending indeed.

that was in reference to the dictaphone, while i agree that you can get a good recording on a dictaphone, if a band were paying you for your services, it might not be the result they were looking for. As i've said before i have no opinion on your recordings.

njw · 3rd July 2007, 11:32 AM

But it's not that you're disagreeing with Robin, it's that you're disagreeing with FACT.

You cant go saying that amateur equipment is professional, because its not true. You CAN however, be a professional musician/artist working with amateur recording equipment - many people have proven this. There is a massive difference between this, and saying that crap equipment is professional, thats where the chalk line has become scuffed by the proverbial yellow fluffy tennis ball, ya dig.

humndislocation · 3rd July 2007, 11:39 AM

Right, any post that can be summed up as "you're a cock", post in here please http://www.undergroundscene.co.uk/fo...-so-angry.html
any post that can be summed up as "you're wrong, and here's why", or is otherwise educational can stay in this thread.

Cheers

ubermensch · 3rd July 2007, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Clogs

There is a massive difference between this, and saying that crap equipment is professional, thats where the chalk line has become scuffed by the proverbial yellow fluffy tennis ball, ya dig.

Watching too much Wimbledon Nico? :P

njw · 3rd July 2007, 11:58 AM

Here is how you can record a good free song at home. I feel it is relevant. I recorded it with a laptop I had already, and a mic I got from a 'laptop toolkit' from LIDL a few months ago. I used a yamaha 'guitalele' for the guitar part.

Hope you like it, and get out there and record!!!

tweeclogs.mp3

mrlizard · 3rd July 2007, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Thee Alex

Um, perhaps you should check the thread? At no point have I said that home recording gear is 'professional'. I have said that you can get 'professional' (whatever that means) results with it.

I WAS disagreeing with Robin, I was disagreeing with him being a condescending gear snob.

professional means you can get away with charging for it, i don't think you can get away with charging people to record with behringer equipment, with the exception of headphone amps, reference mics, cable testers etc.

njw · 3rd July 2007, 12:11 PM

YAY, now at last I have the chance to say that your songs are beyond shit too

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njw · 3rd July 2007, 12:51 PM

the whole of Glytchvölk Musique Concrète.

njw · 3rd July 2007, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Thee Alex

I am GLAD that local studios are mostly going out of business - The reason? Cos most of them were shite and tried to make bands think that only 'engineers' could possibly understand what was going on.

I hope all call centres move to India so you are out of a job too.

mrlizard · 3rd July 2007, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Thee Alex

I wouldn't ever charge anyone to record them (and I don't think I ever have), instead I try to encourage people to do it themselves and waste no money at all on paying the soon-to-be-extinct local 'demo studio' types to press a few buttons.

I am GLAD that local studios are mostly going out of business - The reason? Cos most of them were shite and tried to make bands think that only 'engineers' could possibly understand what was going on.

Home recording and DIY is a great thing. People getting bogged down on what gear is good is not. Afterall, you can't polish a turd....well you can, but you get a smeared turd and a shitty cloth.

people have been saying that demo studio's are on their way out since the introduction of cassettes, there are still plenty. There are a shortage of really good studio's with excellent professional gear.

I think purpose of excellent gear is to capture the most natural possible recording, not to make it hyped or larger than life as cheap equipment tends to do, all though good studio's will have options for more coloured sounds as well. For example a cheap condensor like the behringer B1 has a hyped top end, and a poor off axis response, imagine you're tracking a singer with an acoustic guitar at the same time, the spill from the acoustic will sound terrible.

To me, gear is not as important as performance, and there are plenty of badly recorded albums that i love.

fraserlaeto · 3rd July 2007, 02:39 PM

I'd like to chime in here, if i may.

I think if we're talking about preferred recordings, it doesn't really matter what my or anyone else's opinion is.
I think if we're talking about preferred performances, it doesn't really matter what my or anyone else's opinion is
Anyyone could argue for weeks about these things and never see eye to eye.

If we're talking about acoustic physics and colourless reproduction, there is to some degree, a science that exists which attempts to quantify and better understand the behaviour of sound, behavour of instruments, the analysis of the products which capture sound, and their results.
When this 'science' exists for the purpose of better understanding the nature and behaviour of what one works with (especially if that is one's profession) i think there should be no shame attached to giving it some credence. In my opinion, there is nothing at all wrong with trying to understand what you do as fully as possible. I can only have the utmost admiration for anyone who does that.
This will inevitably percolate into the way you approach your work, and for many sound engineers, this is manifest in them continually striving to acquire more accurate equipment. Many engineers' reasons for doing this is that if a signal is to be manipulated, they would rather have some degree of control over than mani

3rd July 2007, 11:32 AM	#35 (permalink)
njw Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: DD1 Posts: 8,204	But it's not that you're disagreeing with Robin, it's that you're disagreeing with FACT. You cant go saying that amateur equipment is professional, because its not true. You CAN however, be a professional musician/artist working with amateur recording equipment - many people have proven this. There is a massive difference between this, and saying that crap equipment is professional, thats where the chalk line has become scuffed by the proverbial yellow fluffy tennis ball, ya dig. __________________ You can put a cat in the oven, but that doesn't make it a biscuit.

3rd July 2007, 11:58 AM	#38 (permalink)
njw Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: DD1 Posts: 8,204	Here is how you can record a good free song at home. I feel it is relevant. I recorded it with a laptop I had already, and a mic I got from a 'laptop toolkit' from LIDL a few months ago. I used a yamaha 'guitalele' for the guitar part. Hope you like it, and get out there and record!!! tweeclogs.mp3 __________________ You can put a cat in the oven, but that doesn't make it a biscuit.

3rd July 2007, 12:11 PM	#40 (permalink)
njw Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: DD1 Posts: 8,204	YAY, now at last I have the chance to say that your songs are beyond shit too . __________________ You can put a cat in the oven, but that doesn't make it a biscuit.

3rd July 2007, 12:51 PM	#41 (permalink)
njw Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: DD1 Posts: 8,204	the whole of Glytchvölk Musique Concrète. __________________ You can put a cat in the oven, but that doesn't make it a biscuit.

3rd July 2007, 11:39 AM	#36 (permalink)
humndislocation Hardcore is serious guys Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Dundee Posts: 5,928 Band: Blasphemous Necrorapist	Right, any post that can be summed up as "you're a cock", post in here please http://www.undergroundscene.co.uk/fo...-so-angry.html any post that can be summed up as "you're wrong, and here's why", or is otherwise educational can stay in this thread. Cheers