Home recording Set up - Page 7

bobby · 6th July 2007, 10:07 AM

Nah, you're right Alex; I'm the primary pointy guitar salesman in the shop.

And yeah, I advise people to buy guitars and guitar gear (that's my job, after all), but mainly based on things like, y'know, playability, and tone. Or how about just serving the purpose the customer needs the guitar to serve? And yeah, cheap guitars are sometimes a waste of money; but surely it's better to advise the customer as to the fact they'd be better with a better-quality guitar, be it now or when they came afford it, than they would be with a guitar they can buy right now but won't give them the results they desire?

See, when you work in a shop, you don't actually want to piss people off. If I sell someone a guitar/ amp that I know isn't gonna last them when I know I could help them by showing them something else, then they're just gonna be back in 3, 4, 5, 6 months needing to do what I should have told them initially, and thus will have wasted 300, 400 quid on a guitar that hasn't actually helped them at all.

And by the way, you're proving my (and everyone's) point again in snippily implying I or we in the shop rip people off and force them to spend more than they need to. That ignores the simple fact that musical equipment (as with any consumer products; TVs, Stereos, etc) generally increases in quality as the price bracket too increases. Obviously there are exceptions to this rule, and some manufacturers sell off having a name or badge regardless of price. And it's not a point for argument or discussion either; you can say "oh but I get fine results from a Mexican Tele for what I do" or "Yeah I like the Line 6 stuff" (to give two examples), but an American Telecaster is a better guitar, and a Peavey Valveking is a better amp. There's just no two ways about it.

You settle for what you can get out of your cheap gear, that's fine. But even if you are using it to the fullest of it's capabilities, you are still limited by the constraits of it being relatively low- quality gear, mass- produced within a certain budget, in China. But to say that's all anyone needs is plainly ridiculous.

Thee Alex · 6th July 2007, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by mrlizard

You have been saying it though, the posts got deleted, everybody read them.

Get the mod's to undelete them, then you can eat your words. You'll probably want to use a diamond plate for that knowing you.

bobby · 6th July 2007, 10:10 AM

p.s. I'd call 34 mid-30s.

Thee Alex · 6th July 2007, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by bobby

But to say that's all anyone needs is plainly ridiculous.

AND I HAVEN'T FUCKING SAID THAT.....AT ALL!!

Fucking HELL, how stupid are you?? Do you always read what you WANT to read into every you see?

Thee Alex · 6th July 2007, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by bobby

p.s. I'd call 34 mid-30s.

Only you called it 'mid to late' didn't you.

Moron.

bobby · 6th July 2007, 10:13 AM

I don't think I'm the only person reading pretty much everything you've said the way I'm reading it.

bobby · 6th July 2007, 10:16 AM

Aww I'm sorry I made that little error with my age- bracketing baby, I'll go change it.

You're obviously quite sensitive about the subject.

Keerin · 6th July 2007, 10:20 AM

He's saying you can do a damn fine job on cheaper equipment. I think the difference in opinion between alex and everyone else is what constitutes as "cheap". Obviously is changes depending on the item, but I think you have to also factor in such things as durability and how useful it will be next year, in two years etc etc.

My personal opinion is that after buying cheap stuff that i have outgrown and atsed money on, in the future I will buy more expensive things which I will not outgrow, or will be able to use for longer.

bobby · 6th July 2007, 10:21 AM

And I agreed with that; you can get good results from relatively inexpensive kit. Nothing like as good as you can from much better gear though, if you know what you're doing.

Thee Alex · 6th July 2007, 10:24 AM

Christ.

I am NOT advocating cheap gear as being 'better' or anything like that (why would I have spent nearly a grand on my laptop when I could have bought an Acer for £300 if that was the case?)

Scott was right, getting bogged down in all this recording stuff is nonsense. I record a handful of times a year, when I have something that needs recordings. The rest of the time I'm playing live and writing.

The 'home recording' forum is pointless as it's merely a 'my Processor is bigger than yours' wang-fest.

stuartmaxwell · 6th July 2007, 10:25 AM

alex,

what do you do for a living?

Keerin · 6th July 2007, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Thee Alex

Christ.

I am NOT advocating cheap gear as being 'better' or anything like that

Boddy didn't suggest you said that in his previous post.. Bobby is suggesting you get better quality gear (and therefor better results) if you buy more expensive gear but also conceding that you can get good results with inexpensive gear.

bobby · 6th July 2007, 10:31 AM

You can get better results with better gear, but won't necessarily. That's the important part.

6th July 2007, 10:20 AM	#98 (permalink)
Keerin UGS Site Writer Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: probably work Posts: 6,381 Band: Welcome Home, Explorer; Vulsellum; Altruist	He's saying you can do a damn fine job on cheaper equipment. I think the difference in opinion between alex and everyone else is what constitutes as "cheap". Obviously is changes depending on the item, but I think you have to also factor in such things as durability and how useful it will be next year, in two years etc etc. My personal opinion is that after buying cheap stuff that i have outgrown and atsed money on, in the future I will buy more expensive things which I will not outgrow, or will be able to use for longer. __________________ Welcome Home, Explorer \|Vulsellum\|Scum Killer http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...6/scan0002.jpg

6th July 2007, 10:07 AM	#91 (permalink)
bobby Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Dundee Posts: 3,805 Band: Swordmaster, RetroFlex	Nah, you're right Alex; I'm the primary pointy guitar salesman in the shop. And yeah, I advise people to buy guitars and guitar gear (that's my job, after all), but mainly based on things like, y'know, playability, and tone. Or how about just serving the purpose the customer needs the guitar to serve? And yeah, cheap guitars are sometimes a waste of money; but surely it's better to advise the customer as to the fact they'd be better with a better-quality guitar, be it now or when they came afford it, than they would be with a guitar they can buy right now but won't give them the results they desire? See, when you work in a shop, you don't actually want to piss people off. If I sell someone a guitar/ amp that I know isn't gonna last them when I know I could help them by showing them something else, then they're just gonna be back in 3, 4, 5, 6 months needing to do what I should have told them initially, and thus will have wasted 300, 400 quid on a guitar that hasn't actually helped them at all. And by the way, you're proving my (and everyone's) point again in snippily implying I or we in the shop rip people off and force them to spend more than they need to. That ignores the simple fact that musical equipment (as with any consumer products; TVs, Stereos, etc) generally increases in quality as the price bracket too increases. Obviously there are exceptions to this rule, and some manufacturers sell off having a name or badge regardless of price. And it's not a point for argument or discussion either; you can say "oh but I get fine results from a Mexican Tele for what I do" or "Yeah I like the Line 6 stuff" (to give two examples), but an American Telecaster is a better guitar, and a Peavey Valveking is a better amp. There's just no two ways about it. You settle for what you can get out of your cheap gear, that's fine. But even if you are using it to the fullest of it's capabilities, you are still limited by the constraits of it being relatively low- quality gear, mass- produced within a certain budget, in China. But to say that's all anyone needs is plainly ridiculous.

6th July 2007, 10:10 AM	#93 (permalink)
bobby Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Dundee Posts: 3,805 Band: Swordmaster, RetroFlex	p.s. I'd call 34 mid-30s.

6th July 2007, 10:13 AM	#96 (permalink)
bobby Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Dundee Posts: 3,805 Band: Swordmaster, RetroFlex	I don't think I'm the only person reading pretty much everything you've said the way I'm reading it.

6th July 2007, 10:16 AM	#97 (permalink)
bobby Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Dundee Posts: 3,805 Band: Swordmaster, RetroFlex	Aww I'm sorry I made that little error with my age- bracketing baby, I'll go change it. You're obviously quite sensitive about the subject.

6th July 2007, 10:21 AM	#99 (permalink)
bobby Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Dundee Posts: 3,805 Band: Swordmaster, RetroFlex	And I agreed with that; you can get good results from relatively inexpensive kit. Nothing like as good as you can from much better gear though, if you know what you're doing.

6th July 2007, 10:24 AM	#100 (permalink)
Thee Alex UGS Assassin Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Solihull, West Midlands Posts: 4,113 Band: Wülfstabber, Catface, DJ Wrong Homer, Wings & Claws, Señor Citizen, WRRRMS	Christ. I am NOT advocating cheap gear as being 'better' or anything like that (why would I have spent nearly a grand on my laptop when I could have bought an Acer for £300 if that was the case?) Scott was right, getting bogged down in all this recording stuff is nonsense. I record a handful of times a year, when I have something that needs recordings. The rest of the time I'm playing live and writing. The 'home recording' forum is pointless as it's merely a 'my Processor is bigger than yours' wang-fest.

6th July 2007, 10:25 AM	#101 (permalink)
stuartmaxwell Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: dundee, paris, peckham Posts: 1,522 Band: the shape of the sword, we are fucked, stuff	alex, what do you do for a living?

6th July 2007, 10:31 AM	#103 (permalink)
bobby Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Dundee Posts: 3,805 Band: Swordmaster, RetroFlex	You can get better results with better gear, but won't necessarily. That's the important part.

6th July 2007, 12:23 PM	#104 (permalink)
Fritz Uzi Lover Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Dundee Posts: 3,206 Band: Pretty much everything I touch turns to gold. Don't know what bands I play in? You should get out more you sad fuck!