Font Nightmare

Allen1uk · 22nd May 2005, 12:06 AM

Does anyone know how to up-load a specific font that i used to make my site so that others see it in that font and not the defualt times new roman one??

Please help as just rebuilt my whole bands website using this font and im gonna cry

humndislocation · 22nd May 2005, 02:04 AM

If it's not one of the standard fonts, then you're shit out of luck. The only way you can get your site to appear in a non standard font, is to use flash. (assuming you can do that in flash)

Microsoft used to have a experimental tool which would let you embed a font into a website years ago, but nothing came of it. That said, it didn't work particularly well anyway. I couldn't get it to work at all.

: : Scott : : · 22nd May 2005, 08:11 AM

I use Arial for sites, but if that doesn't float your boat just type whatever into a graphics package in the font you like and export it as a jpeg or do it in flash.

kj · 22nd May 2005, 11:05 AM

always design your sites using standard fonts... fancy fonts do nothing to your site but make it look shit and work improperly. I'd recommend the flash option, but if you are using flash just to display text then its just as bad as using images to display text, thats a no no, especially if you are making websites professionally, but i dont think you are in this case so i guess its probably ok to use either of these as a work around.

you need to remember that if you have a special font on your computer the chances are that others might not have it, particularly if its a font that you have had to download to use yourself.

pixelsink · 22nd May 2005, 11:28 AM

Exporting texts as graphics just because you want to use that font is a pain in the arse because to meet usability standards you have to make sure you give it anchor tags and descriptive text.

Even if you don't want to do it from the usability side of things then its important as far as having the search engines include your website in their listings. text is always better than exported font graphics or using flash.

As has been mentioned, stick to the standard fonts - Arial, Helvetica, Verdana and Times for your websites.

have a look at CSS if your up for it, you'll be surprised what can be done visually with CSS that keeps your text 'Live' and in a form easily understood by search spiders and reading software for the visually impaired.

DissolveD_JameS · 22nd May 2005, 12:33 PM

Aw man... I was thinking about this as well. Couldn't you get some sort-of self-extracting file that installs the font for someone if they don't have it? Optionally of course.

Rebelius · 22nd May 2005, 01:33 PM

yeah, cos people are gonna like going on sites that automatically installs stuff on your PC. LIKE A VIRUS!

: : Scott : : · 22nd May 2005, 04:27 PM

ActiveX = ActiveSuX

humndislocation · 22nd May 2005, 04:35 PM

No one is going to download and install your font just to look at your website.

Another thing, when you specify what font some text is in, you can seperate several fonts by commas, and the browser will look through each one in order for one that it has. I'm not 100% sure that you can do this in straight HTML, but I'm pretty sure. I know for a fact you can do it if you use cascading style sheets.

e.g.

<font face="MagicFont, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif, Sans Serif">text</font>

If the browser can't find MagicFont, then it'll fall back to Verdana, then Arial, then Sans-Serif, and so on, until it finds a font that it has.

Also, if you're using a font like Verdana, and want your site to look that way in linux, then put "Sans Serif", or "Sans-Serif" (I forget which) in the list. Otherwise you'll end up with the equivilent of times new roman, and it'll look shit. I don't know what the verdana like font on the mac is called, so you'll have to get someone with a mac to filll you in on that one.

DissolveD_JameS · 23rd May 2005, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rebelius

yeah, cos people are gonna like going on sites that automatically installs stuff on your PC. LIKE A VIRUS!

Obviously not. (Well.. "Obviously" if we're staying in sarcasm-mode) but what I mean is you'd think at least Microsoft would update IE to accomodate that sort of thing.

: : Scott : : · 23rd May 2005, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DissolveD_JameS

Obviously not. (Well.. "Obviously" if we're staying in sarcasm-mode) but what I mean is you'd think at least Microsoft would update IE to accomodate that sort of thing.

They did, it's called activeX and it can be used pretty maliciously to execute things onto your machine without your knowledge, because of the way IE works as a core part of WINDOWS WINDOWS

DissolveD_JameS · 23rd May 2005, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by : : Scott : :

They did, it's called activeX and it can be used pretty maliciously to execute things onto your machine without your knowledge, because of the way IE works as a core part of WINDOWS WINDOWS

I mean something that's actually efficient.

22nd May 2005, 12:06 AM	#1 (permalink)
Allen1uk Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Glasgow Posts: 217	Font Nightmare Does anyone know how to up-load a specific font that i used to make my site so that others see it in that font and not the defualt times new roman one?? Please help as just rebuilt my whole bands website using this font and im gonna cry

22nd May 2005, 11:05 AM	#4 (permalink)
kj gimp Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Scotland Posts: 14,138 Band: A band of merry men	always design your sites using standard fonts... fancy fonts do nothing to your site but make it look shit and work improperly. I'd recommend the flash option, but if you are using flash just to display text then its just as bad as using images to display text, thats a no no, especially if you are making websites professionally, but i dont think you are in this case so i guess its probably ok to use either of these as a work around. you need to remember that if you have a special font on your computer the chances are that others might not have it, particularly if its a font that you have had to download to use yourself. __________________ This community cannot survive without your continued support. galleries \|\| links directory \|\| profiles \|\| wiki

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22nd May 2005, 02:04 AM	#2 (permalink)
humndislocation Hardcore is serious guys Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Dundee Posts: 5,996 Band: Blasphemous Necrorapist	If it's not one of the standard fonts, then you're shit out of luck. The only way you can get your site to appear in a non standard font, is to use flash. (assuming you can do that in flash) Microsoft used to have a experimental tool which would let you embed a font into a website years ago, but nothing came of it. That said, it didn't work particularly well anyway. I couldn't get it to work at all.

22nd May 2005, 08:11 AM	#3 (permalink)
: : Scott : : Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Dundee Posts: 7,138	I use Arial for sites, but if that doesn't float your boat just type whatever into a graphics package in the font you like and export it as a jpeg or do it in flash.

22nd May 2005, 11:28 AM	#5 (permalink)
pixelsink Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: www.carbonhideout.com Posts: 4,722 Band: Carbon	Exporting texts as graphics just because you want to use that font is a pain in the arse because to meet usability standards you have to make sure you give it anchor tags and descriptive text. Even if you don't want to do it from the usability side of things then its important as far as having the search engines include your website in their listings. text is always better than exported font graphics or using flash. As has been mentioned, stick to the standard fonts - Arial, Helvetica, Verdana and Times for your websites. have a look at CSS if your up for it, you'll be surprised what can be done visually with CSS that keeps your text 'Live' and in a form easily understood by search spiders and reading software for the visually impaired.

22nd May 2005, 12:33 PM	#6 (permalink)
DissolveD_JameS Restrained Abuser Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Dundee Posts: 1,264 Band: Dissolved	Aw man... I was thinking about this as well. Couldn't you get some sort-of self-extracting file that installs the font for someone if they don't have it? Optionally of course.

22nd May 2005, 01:33 PM	#7 (permalink)
Rebelius Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 7,213	yeah, cos people are gonna like going on sites that automatically installs stuff on your PC. LIKE A VIRUS!

22nd May 2005, 04:27 PM	#8 (permalink)
: : Scott : : Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Dundee Posts: 7,138	ActiveX = ActiveSuX

22nd May 2005, 04:35 PM	#9 (permalink)
humndislocation Hardcore is serious guys Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Dundee Posts: 5,996 Band: Blasphemous Necrorapist	No one is going to download and install your font just to look at your website. Another thing, when you specify what font some text is in, you can seperate several fonts by commas, and the browser will look through each one in order for one that it has. I'm not 100% sure that you can do this in straight HTML, but I'm pretty sure. I know for a fact you can do it if you use cascading style sheets. e.g. <font face="MagicFont, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif, Sans Serif">text</font> If the browser can't find MagicFont, then it'll fall back to Verdana, then Arial, then Sans-Serif, and so on, until it finds a font that it has. Also, if you're using a font like Verdana, and want your site to look that way in linux, then put "Sans Serif", or "Sans-Serif" (I forget which) in the list. Otherwise you'll end up with the equivilent of times new roman, and it'll look shit. I don't know what the verdana like font on the mac is called, so you'll have to get someone with a mac to filll you in on that one.