Is this the worst time for music ever ?

My First Kev · 19th April 2004, 02:06 PM

i say yes

Pop stars are here today and gone in around a week. Infact pop doesn't even exist anymore it's either songs that resemble Happy Hardcore dance music left over from 1992 (with a page 3 girl on vocal duties) or soppy by numbers ballads. Indie pop stars sound more like Duran Duran than anything with even the slightest bit of emotion or anger (Franz Ferdinan, The Strokes and the rest of the fashion rock parade). Rock music has no balls. Hardcore punk doesn't even exist outwith the relms of online journals and bedwetting emo and pop punk is afraid of itself and now has no pop or punk. Hip Hop has more bling and less socialy aware lyrics than ever and the bulk of the Underground scene is simply copying the shit above but without the financial backing.

there are a few exceptions, you know who you are and so do i so don't get angry but its a sad state when the only thing i have even been remotley excited about this year is that Morrissey is releasing a new album, a man who has been making music for as long as i have been alive. Oh and the Dangerfields Hellride e.p. that was pretty good aswell.

Johnny · 19th April 2004, 02:09 PM

I can't think of any new bands that I like, so I have to agree withyou.

I listen to the same bands I have for the past few years.

Lindsay · 19th April 2004, 02:27 PM

i don't think you can say yes or no to that question. different people like different things. i love some stuff from just now, but hate some stuff. i love some stuff from the sixties and hate other stuff. you can't generalise and i get the feeling you don't know enough about music to be doing that. i'm not claiming to know more, but then i'm not the one making sweeping statements.

and this statement Pop stars are here today and gone in around a week applies to pop music for as long as it has exsisted.

My First Kev · 19th April 2004, 02:33 PM

yeah the Beatles they were a fly by night thing and ABBA a pop career that went nowhere. Mariah Carrey, Spice Girls, Elvis...

anyway i don't think i am making a sweeping statement. There is a complete lack of passion and and originality in what i see today. You can disagree if you wish but i dont think it makes my point any less valid or shows a lack music knowledge.

Tommy Sports · 19th April 2004, 02:37 PM

i don't think this is a bad time musically at all, good music never goes away, it just gets less exposure. at the moment major record companies are shitting themselves because of the increase in people downloading music, they try to combat this by putting out music that is as disposable as possible so by the time it's released its already going out of date, this is a terrible thing as far as the pop charts are concerned, but how many of us actually judge success in terms of sales?
the boy and girlband thing is dying a death and has been reduced to reality tv status - the lowest of the lows, and cheesy dance had its day about 10 years ago.
recently i have noticed that kids have been getting sick of chart music and getting into music seriously at a younger age which inspires them to pick up a microphone or learn an instrument themselves.
pop music in general is becoming stale and whenever that has happened in the past it has led to great things, the real people take over for a while.
there will always be lulls and peaks in the quality of what the media is hyping but in the end everyone always has something they love. and if you don't then decide what it is that is missing and do it yourself, i'm sure someone will relate to it.

Tommy Sports · 19th April 2004, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by My First Kev

yeah the Beatles they were a fly by night thing and ABBA a pop career that went nowhere. Mariah Carrey, Spice Girls, Elvis...

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for every beatles and abba there are a million one hit wonder bands in the same vein.
i am glad that acts like marriah carrey and the spice girls have less chance of prolonged success now.

Lindsay · 19th April 2004, 02:42 PM

do you not realise that you have heard of these people because they were the ones to survive?. you don't know how successful the bands of today are going to be in the future. madonna's very first single was a flop. some people back in 1983 must have thought that she would never make it.

were you around in the fifties or sixities or seventies to hear the mass of chart music then? there have always have been and are always going to be bands that get signed, release a single or two or an album and then seemingly drop off the face of the earth. what about Billy Ray Cyrus, Shampoo, Whigfield? all at the start of the nineties, nothing much happened there did it? and that was a continuation of a pattern.

tastes change, fashions come and go, things seem less special after a while. and that has happened for years and years.

My First Kev · 19th April 2004, 02:47 PM

Shampoo are still really big in Japan

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pop music in general is becoming stale and whenever that has happened in the past it has led to great things, the real people take over for a while

good and i'm hoping it happens again - soon

Tommy Sports · 19th April 2004, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by My First Kev

good and i'm hoping it happens again - soon

so am i, there is so much going on at the moment, its just a shame that whenever something gets peoples attention and seems like it might go somewhere it gets hyped to death by the press. especially the NME.
people should just listen to the music they like and there would never be a problem.

perkino · 19th April 2004, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by My First Kev

yeah the Beatles they were a fly by night thing and ABBA a pop career that went nowhere. Mariah Carrey, Spice Girls, Elvis...

anyway i don't think i am making a sweeping statement. There is a complete lack of passion and and originality in what i see today. You can disagree if you wish but i dont think it makes my point any less valid or shows a lack music knowledge.

they are but a few of hundreds and hundredsof acts that have been in and out the charts. its not like the sixties and 70's were made up of the beatles and led zepplin, there was loads of crap too. you just have to take from it what you can.

My First Kev · 19th April 2004, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by perkino

they are but a few of hundreds and hundredsof acts that have been in and out the charts. its not like the sixties and 70's were made up of the beatles and led zepplin, there was loads of crap too. you just have to take from it what you can.

thats a fair point and i accept there has always been rubbish in the charts at some point or another. But where are the Beatles etc.. of today ? can anyone really name an act around just now who are providing anything more than an occasional melody? Music regardless of genre just sounds so lazy at the moment.

Rosco the magnificent · 19th April 2004, 04:21 PM

Music's as good as it has always been- the only problem is that maybe music coverage is maybe not as good as it once was because we get all of this shite put in front of us. You'll find bands maybe music which is better than ever if you look hard enough- it's just that before it was maybe handed to us on a plate. The news that Michelle McManus has been dropped is great news as well- it shows that you can't get away with being shite any longer

PrettyPumpkin · 19th April 2004, 05:24 PM

Music is only what you make it out to be. It matters a lot as to how you are influenced either by friends or family.
What we are given on a plate to us today is not satisfactory enough for us so we go back to the archives and look at things our parents listened to in their youth.
They're talking of abolishing the singles charts in a few years time and basing the charts on the album sellings for the week. This gives you a more accurate reading.
As for a band who just produce more than the occasional melodies, from a purely personal point of view, I feel the Muse are the ones to be watching. There's a real love hate relationship with people regarding them but I think that they are doing stuff that is going to help music turn over a new leaf. Ok, some people will probably think I'm bullshitting but everyone's entiled to an opinion and mine is that Muse are a great band.

Fin. (for just now)

19th April 2004, 02:06 PM	#1 (permalink)
My First Kev Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dundee Posts: 1,694	Is this the worst time for music ever ? i say yes Pop stars are here today and gone in around a week. Infact pop doesn't even exist anymore it's either songs that resemble Happy Hardcore dance music left over from 1992 (with a page 3 girl on vocal duties) or soppy by numbers ballads. Indie pop stars sound more like Duran Duran than anything with even the slightest bit of emotion or anger (Franz Ferdinan, The Strokes and the rest of the fashion rock parade). Rock music has no balls. Hardcore punk doesn't even exist outwith the relms of online journals and bedwetting emo and pop punk is afraid of itself and now has no pop or punk. Hip Hop has more bling and less socialy aware lyrics than ever and the bulk of the Underground scene is simply copying the shit above but without the financial backing. there are a few exceptions, you know who you are and so do i so don't get angry but its a sad state when the only thing i have even been remotley excited about this year is that Morrissey is releasing a new album, a man who has been making music for as long as i have been alive. Oh and the Dangerfields Hellride e.p. that was pretty good aswell.

19th April 2004, 02:33 PM	#4 (permalink)
My First Kev Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dundee Posts: 1,694	yeah the Beatles they were a fly by night thing and ABBA a pop career that went nowhere. Mariah Carrey, Spice Girls, Elvis... anyway i don't think i am making a sweeping statement. There is a complete lack of passion and and originality in what i see today. You can disagree if you wish but i dont think it makes my point any less valid or shows a lack music knowledge. Last edited by My First Kev : 19th April 2004 at 02:36 PM.

19th April 2004, 04:21 PM	#12 (permalink)
Rosco the magnificent ping-pong Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Lenzieshire (for a little while) Posts: 4,153 Band: My Own Religion	Music's as good as it has always been- the only problem is that maybe music coverage is maybe not as good as it once was because we get all of this shite put in front of us. You'll find bands maybe music which is better than ever if you look hard enough- it's just that before it was maybe handed to us on a plate. The news that Michelle McManus has been dropped is great news as well- it shows that you can't get away with being shite any longer __________________ "I hate being Scottish. We're the lowest of the fúcking low, the scum of the earth, the most wretched, servile, miserable, pathetic trash that was ever shát into civilization. Some people hate the English, but I don't. They're just wánkers. We, on the other hand, are colonized by wánkers. We can't even pick a decent culture to be colonized by. We are ruled by effete árseholes. It's a shíte state of affairs and all the fresh air in the world will not make any fúcking difference."

19th April 2004, 02:09 PM	#2 (permalink)
Johnny is latin for sexy. Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Glenrothes Posts: 5,137 Band: Aces High	I can't think of any new bands that I like, so I have to agree withyou. I listen to the same bands I have for the past few years.

19th April 2004, 02:27 PM	#3 (permalink)
Lindsay eighties fan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Glasgow Posts: 7,597	i don't think you can say yes or no to that question. different people like different things. i love some stuff from just now, but hate some stuff. i love some stuff from the sixties and hate other stuff. you can't generalise and i get the feeling you don't know enough about music to be doing that. i'm not claiming to know more, but then i'm not the one making sweeping statements. and this statement Pop stars are here today and gone in around a week applies to pop music for as long as it has exsisted.

19th April 2004, 02:37 PM	#5 (permalink)
Tommy Sports Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,606 Band: Juliet Kilo	i don't think this is a bad time musically at all, good music never goes away, it just gets less exposure. at the moment major record companies are shitting themselves because of the increase in people downloading music, they try to combat this by putting out music that is as disposable as possible so by the time it's released its already going out of date, this is a terrible thing as far as the pop charts are concerned, but how many of us actually judge success in terms of sales? the boy and girlband thing is dying a death and has been reduced to reality tv status - the lowest of the lows, and cheesy dance had its day about 10 years ago. recently i have noticed that kids have been getting sick of chart music and getting into music seriously at a younger age which inspires them to pick up a microphone or learn an instrument themselves. pop music in general is becoming stale and whenever that has happened in the past it has led to great things, the real people take over for a while. there will always be lulls and peaks in the quality of what the media is hyping but in the end everyone always has something they love. and if you don't then decide what it is that is missing and do it yourself, i'm sure someone will relate to it.

19th April 2004, 02:42 PM	#7 (permalink)
Lindsay eighties fan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Glasgow Posts: 7,597	do you not realise that you have heard of these people because they were the ones to survive?. you don't know how successful the bands of today are going to be in the future. madonna's very first single was a flop. some people back in 1983 must have thought that she would never make it. were you around in the fifties or sixities or seventies to hear the mass of chart music then? there have always have been and are always going to be bands that get signed, release a single or two or an album and then seemingly drop off the face of the earth. what about Billy Ray Cyrus, Shampoo, Whigfield? all at the start of the nineties, nothing much happened there did it? and that was a continuation of a pattern. tastes change, fashions come and go, things seem less special after a while. and that has happened for years and years.

19th April 2004, 05:24 PM	#13 (permalink)
PrettyPumpkin Mixtaper Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Edinburgh. It's great. Posts: 2,801	Music is only what you make it out to be. It matters a lot as to how you are influenced either by friends or family. What we are given on a plate to us today is not satisfactory enough for us so we go back to the archives and look at things our parents listened to in their youth. They're talking of abolishing the singles charts in a few years time and basing the charts on the album sellings for the week. This gives you a more accurate reading. As for a band who just produce more than the occasional melodies, from a purely personal point of view, I feel the Muse are the ones to be watching. There's a real love hate relationship with people regarding them but I think that they are doing stuff that is going to help music turn over a new leaf. Ok, some people will probably think I'm bullshitting but everyone's entiled to an opinion and mine is that Muse are a great band. Fin. (for just now)

19th April 2004, 05:27 PM	#14 (permalink)
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