No bright future for us?

[: : Scott : :]

Sorry if it seems I'm being a dick dissecting this but I don't really agree.

Originally Posted by Shite-puss

I cannot see a bright future for Humans and this worries me. This morning I was on my way to work when I heard a group of primary school children swearing and cursing at the traffic. I don’t mean childish swearing, this was real abusive, adult stuff. Then about 10 minutes later, I was standing at my usual bus stop when a mother and her (what looked like) 12-13 year old son walked passed and she gave him a cigarette to smoke. When I got on the bus, it was full with School kids on their way to School and I overheard a few of them talking about how they were out drinking alcohol over the weekend. These kids were only about 11 years old.

The stuff about kids swearing and boasting about drinking and stuff isn't really what I'd call a danger to "society", it's just kids bravado. 90% sure they were just trying to look cool, because when you're 11 nothing seems cooler than looking like you're 20 or something, and kids think that's how 20 year olds act. It happened when I was at school, and I'm sure it's probably been like that for as long as cities have existed.

As for the mother giving the kid a cigarette, yeah that's stupid but that's life. Stupid parents have always existed, but there's probably less real abuse now than in this mythical time 400 years ago when everyone respected everyone else. Aslo, both my grandads smoked from when they were in utero and they turned out fine.

Originally Posted by Shite-puss

If this is the way children are acting just now, imagine how it will be like in 30 years time. With the acceptation of sum, the youth of today seem to have lost all respect, and have no aims or goals in life.

See, that just sounds like a passage from the Daily Mail or something.

Originally Posted by Shite-puss

400 years ago, villages and towns acted like a big family and everyone took care and looked after each other. 50 years ago, whole towns acted like one big friendly community where everyone seemed to be friends with everyone.

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I don't see how you can possibly make that claime. 400 years ago there was no health service, no welfare, and you'd probably be rotting away from the plauge. Not to mention that I bet rape and general crime were about a million orders of magnitude higher than they are now.

Originally Posted by Shite-puss

An excellent example of this was the queen’s coronation in 1953. People all over the country celebrated this memorable event together in houses and street parties. However, these days, it’s everyone for themselves (with the acceptation of a handful of friends) and the feeling of community has gone. The only events people seem to care about celebrating these days is ‘who won Big Brother’.

How can you know that for sure? Is this some personal thing someone has told you through rose tint memories or what? Just as many people probably didn't care about the coronation then as wouldn't now, save for post war patriotism. The wars probably did a lot for "community spirit" as everyone was going through shit together, but surely it's better not to have to go through that shit in the first place.

Originally Posted by Shite-puss

Also, due to our youths lack of respect, the amount of crime and unemployment have gone up. Is it now sociably acceptable to be like this, with no ambitions, no job and no prospects in life?

I think that if reported crime has risen, it's due to a combination of more effective law enforcement and more people reporting crime rather than more people committing it.

Originally Posted by Shite-puss

Maybe I’m getting to old before my time, Christ I’ll only be 23 in a couple of months but I am now feeling very worried to how people are turning out. In the near future, will it be acceptable for children to smoke and drink at an early age? Will it be normal to expect your house being broken into or to be mugged on the street?

Man, I would say there are about the same number of children smoking and drinking underage as there were 50 years ago, but that's just an estimate and I can't really back it up.

Originally Posted by Shite-puss

Not only are we losing socially, we are also starting to de-evolve. In order to evolve, survival of the fittest needs to be a factor. These days, the amount of people needing glasses is rapidly increasing. This is because the faulty gene that causes bad eyesight has not been removed from the evolutionary pool. This is just one example of many, but again, this is caused by not having survival of the fittest in place. Humans have now reached a point in time where our bodies no longer produce enough antibodies to fight illnesses because we are so dependant on medicines. We have become week, anti-social and ignorant.

Survival of the fittest doesn't always imply survival of the most physically fit. I don't know shit about genetics though so I'm not going to inflict any more conjecture on you all.

Originally Posted by Shite-puss

If we want a bright future to survive peacefully, we need to stop concentrating so much on the welfare of other countries and think about issues closer to home.

This part seems to be the most hopeless, in my opinion. If we don't move toward some world society that works, we're just regressing back into some dark age.

[Shite-puss]

Yes this is a general consumption and yes this is my opinion. However, this is a cause for concern, as the children of today are completely different and lacking the respect that the children of the 1940’s had.

My father was born in 1946 (one year after the second world war) and he always told me that his memories were not of post war, but of having fun. Its not because people are pulling together after a war, it because people were closer then, it was more of a community. This is more than likely because people were not caricaturised into groups like:

Neds
Moshers
Casuals
Indie folk
Etc………

This sense of community has now been lost and children have been left to do whatever they wish and get away with it. All forms of discipline have left the school’s because the PTA think ‘its not fair on the children’. But what they do not realise is that its causing problems with youth.

Discipline shapes children into the adults they grow up to be. Personally, I was brought up with a respect for other people and other things, to be polite, courteous and to always aim for the best I can. Possibly because my father brought me up with the same morals that he was brought up with in the 40’s and both my parents being in the police.

Basically, my view is that children are being given to much leverage these days and they are getting away with murder. I think this is an issue that needs to be addressed.

Originally Posted by : : Scott : :

This part seems to be the most hopeless, in my opinion. If we don't move toward some world society that works, we're just regressing back into some dark age.

if you read what I said, you will notice that I said :
“we need to stop concentrating so much on the welfare of other countries and think about issues closer to home”

I never said to stop, but we do need to stop worrying about all the other countries as much as we currently do and worry about our own a bit more.

Originally Posted by : : Scott : :

I think that if reported crime has risen, it's due to a combination of more effective law enforcement and more people reporting crime rather than more people committing it.

If you had checked the crime reports for Scotland, the numbers of crimes over the past 40 years has more than tripled.

Originally Posted by : : Scott : :

Just as many people probably didn't care about the coronation then as wouldn't now, save for post war patriotism.

Bullshit, at the time the people of Britain looked at the monarchy as role models. This is what they were fighting for. The royals used to do a lot for the British community spirit.

However, these days the monarchy has changed from being the rulers of the country to a tourist attraction.

Originally Posted by : : Scott : :

Man, I would say there are about the same number of children smoking and drinking underage as there were 50 years ago, but that's just an estimate and I can't really back it up.

True, but 50 years ago they didn’t know how bad it is for you. If you think its ok for children as young as 9 years old to smoke and drink then you are a very sick individual.

[gabrillowise]

This sounds like a topic for a persuasive essay in 4th year or something

[*Lyndsey*]

if you are really THAT bothered about certain issues you have raised in this thread, why not start a petition and lobby the government officials who are actually more likely to do something about your issues than you are bitching on the internet about them?

good views and all, but moaning all your life will not change a society you obviously arent happy living in

[humndislocation]

I don't think the decline of the Monarchy is really a bad thing, but then I'm not a monarchist.

[: : Scott : :]

Originally Posted by Shite-puss

If you had checked the crime reports for Scotland, the numbers of crimes over the past 40 years has more than tripled.

But that statistic doesn't imply there are three times as many crimes being committed, only that three times as many are being reported/investigated.

Originally Posted by Shite-puss

True, but 50 years ago they didn’t know how bad it is for you. If you think its ok for children as young as 9 years old to smoke and drink then you are a very sick individual.

I don't think it's ok for children of 9 to smoke now same as I don't think it was ok for children of 9 to smoke 50 years ago.


I'm not trying to rubbish everything you've said, just saying I think you're being a bit negative.

[Shite-puss]

Originally Posted by humndislocation

I don't think the decline of the Monarchy is really a bad thing, but then I'm not a monarchist.

I agree with you. However, if you speak to almost any person that was alive during the 1st or 2nd world war, you will see they have a totally different opinion about the royals.

I dont beleive the royals are of great importance just now, but back in the day they were

[*Lyndsey*]

Originally Posted by humndislocation

I don't think the decline of the Monarchy is really a bad thing, but then I'm not a monarchist.

i agree

they are a bunch of publicity whores, with their toe sucking and rugby player shagging and polo playing and army duty skipping and sham weddings.....most disfunctional family.ever.

[Shite-puss]

Originally Posted by : : Scott : :

I'm not trying to rubbish everything you've said, just saying I think you're being a bit negative.

I understand what you are trying to say. But it is due to a relaxed attitude like that that is causing these problems.

[Keerin]

Originally Posted by confessions

if you are really THAT bothered about certain issues you have raised in this thread, why not start a petition and lobby the government officials who are actually more likely to do something about your issues than you are bitching on the internet about them?

good views and all, but moaning all your life will not change a society you obviously arent happy living in

aye, lets just get rid of the serious discussions thread.

[*Lyndsey*]

Originally Posted by : : Scott : :

But that statistic doesn't imply there are three times as many crimes being committed, only that three times as many are being reported/investigated.

yeah thats true actually, if you were to dredge up every crime commited in britain it would probably pan out the same, its just people are more inclined to report them nowadays.


like avril said, this is like something youd have a debate over in modern studies, has none of you realised before now the world is a tad shitty for some people?
jesus, you must all live sheltered lives
theres a lot more good things happening in this era than in the past...fair do's we've lived through some hard times, but theres been a thousand more things happened in the past that we havent had to witness