Charlton Heston snuffs it

[Pubic Wig]

Originally Posted by LesMts

And Moore's membership of the NRA is moot...he's a cock.

Truth.

hehe, sorry i saw that in another thread.

As for Moore being a bully...its been a while since i watched it but is there not a bit in 'Bowling for Columbine' where he goes into a Wallmart store with one of the Columbine survivors to return the bullets shot into said poor kid to the store clercks...is it just me or how how shit is that?
Must have made them feel like crap and a half especially as it was filmed. What are you supposed to say in a situation like that? Sure it makes for good film making...or at least sensationalist film making, but it really serves no point other than make guys who had nothing to do with the Shooting feel that they were somehow responsible.

Surely he should have arranged a meeting with a policy maker for the Wall-Mart company...someone who actualy has a say on whether or not firearms and bullets are sold in the company stores...not the spotty faced teens/minimum wage workers he humiliated on camera.

*rant over*

oh, and if i am wrong about this (ie, turns out he didnt go to a random Wall-mart and was actualy at their head office)...i apologise, its been a fair few years since i have seen it

[LesMts]

Originally Posted by RiseAgainst

what other people has he bullied?
and what makes you think he is a dick?

He's a complete dick. I think so because I've seen all of his films and I've read all of his books. He's extraordinarily arrogant without good reason, he frequently compliments and congratulates himself. His arguments are poor, simplistic and specious, he lathers on the ad hominems and straw men with gay abandon, yet he sees himself as some kind of white knight of justics and fairness. Dick.

The bully comment was based on my understanding of his treatment of Charlton Heston, which was clearly founded on spurious premises. As well you know. Don't be a bad winner.

[LesMts]

Originally Posted by Pubic Wig

oh, and if i am wrong about this (ie, turns out he didnt go to a random Wall-mart and was actualy at their head office)...i apologise, its been a fair few years since i have seen it

He went to both, as far as I remember.
Another thing that didn't sit well with me was the way he handled his donation of money to his rival's wife for a medical procedure. It's ostensibly an extremely nice thing to do, but that money was pocket change to Moore (which doesn't necessarily stop it being a nice thing to do, don't get me wrong) and I think he did it for wrong and disingenuous reasons. I don't think he did it anonymously then decided later he would talk about it at the climax of his film. I think he did it purely for the stunt, intending all the while to rub that guys nose in it, and not out of the goodness of his heart. He could have paid the bills of any one or all of the needy people in that film, he choose the person that would give him the biggest impact factor.

[RiseAgainst]

some of the people in the Wal Mart were really kind and looked after the victims actually, if i remember rightly he was at the store where they sold bullets to the killers.

yet they refuse to sell certain albums as their content is not with keeping with the company image.

i think regardless of his films and books point, and even Moore himself, it gets people talking about the subject, and after everything of his that i have seen, ive since gone on to look at it further and heard lots of different things, some supporting, some debating.

Its kinda like the Supersize Me, without sensationalism these documentaries would be pretty dull (see the Wal Mart one for example!)

[Keerin]

Originally Posted by RiseAgainst

yet they refuse to sell certain albums as their content is not with keeping with the company image.

aye, unfortunately in America it is seen as ok to buy bullets but not gangsta rap. lol do the ole chris tucker and make eacxh bullet $10,000. hahaha

[RiseAgainst]

Originally Posted by Keerin

aye, unfortunately in America it is seen as ok to buy bullets but not gangsta rap. lol do the ole chris tucker and make eacxh bullet $10,000. hahaha

chris rock :P

one of my favourite bits of stand up that line actually!

"im gunna get it on lay away, and in six to seven months, you better watch out!"

[Keerin]

gimme that bullet back muthafucka!

[humndislocation]

Personally, while I wouldn't like to see gun ownership become legal over here, I can understand the American argument in favour of allowing citizens to own guns.

[AlanG]

Originally Posted by RiseAgainst

some of the people in the Wal Mart were really kind and looked after the victims actually, if i remember rightly he was at the store where they sold bullets to the killers.

yet they refuse to sell certain albums as their content is not with keeping with the company image.

But in both cases these policies are decided by the company owners at head office rather than the clerks in the store.

For example I remember pointing out in Virgin that we had an album in the Irish Section (ironically) with the catalogue number Billy1690 and banners for the Red Hand Defenders on cover. RHD are a proscribed terrorist organisation and there had recently been some robberies at gunpoint in Dundee by some of their supporters who funded the group with their haul. Mangements response was "meh" even though this probably fell foul of the various (generally appalling) Terrorism Acts.

(The Irish folk albums generally had tricolours on them but no IRA banners or I would have pointed out the dodgy legal situation of that too.)

[Pubic Wig]

Originally Posted by humndislocation

Personally, while I wouldn't like to see gun ownership become legal over here, I can understand the American argument in favour of allowing citizens to own guns.

Which one? That its their constitutional right to bear arms along with their right to form a militia incase them blasted redcoats get any funny ideas again? Or for purely self defence purposes incase somone with a gun breaks into their homes?
Originaly Charlton Heston was pro-guns becasue of the lifestyle many folks around him had wree he grew up. Hunting provided a person with their next meal...i highly doubt people in inner city urban areas need high powered assualt rifles to gun down a stray kitten for brunch.

*if this comes off all snippy im sorry, its meant to be light hearted *

[RiseAgainst]

Originally Posted by Pubic Wig

Which one? That its their constitutional right to bear arms along with their right to form a militia incase them blasted redcoats get any funny ideas again? Or for purely self defence purposes incase somone with a gun breaks into their homes?
Originaly Charlton Heston was pro-guns becasue of the lifestyle many folks around him had wree he grew up. Hunting provided a person with their next meal...i highly doubt people in inner city urban areas need high powered assualt rifles to gun down a stray kitten for brunch.

*if this comes off all snippy im sorry, its meant to be light hearted *

did you get that from penn & teller's bullshit! cause it sounds like it! awesome show

[RiseAgainst]

Originally Posted by AlanG

But in both cases these policies are decided by the company owners at head office rather than the clerks in the store.

For example I remember pointing out in Virgin that we had an album in the Irish Section (ironically) with the catalogue number Billy1690 and banners for the Red Hand Defenders on cover. RHD are a proscribed terrorist organisation and there had recently been some robberies at gunpoint in Dundee by some of their supporters who funded the group with their haul. Mangements response was "meh" even though this probably fell foul of the various (generally appalling) Terrorism Acts.

(The Irish folk albums generally had tricolours on them but no IRA banners or I would have pointed out the dodgy legal situation of that too.)

from the wal*mart DVD i mentioned earlier, some stores are able to chose to carry (or not carry) certain items.