Singing.... how can i get better?

FashionWhore · 11th October 2003, 05:48 PM

I'm curious, i played my first gig as a singer last night and i thought it went not too bad cept my singing was a bit of a let down and now i want to know how i can get better!

this is mainly directed at people who have heard me sing, but general tips would be nice too

[seriously - no taking the piss]

Baz · 11th October 2003, 08:43 PM

i would have to say, cut out the high pitched yelping stuff. try and develop deeper tones. it sounded fine when you were just singin normaly. but everyone i saw was cringing quite a bit at the high bits. it was a bit painfull on the old ears, and pretty annoying. just bein honest man, stick to being more subtle, it`ll fall in place sooner or later, dont force it tho, takes time. you`ll get there. the guy from thursday is a good example of how to mix it, for your type of shit, listen to how he does it, theres no need to go as high as you do, you`ll be able to get control over it with practice, unless of course you want to, in which case, ignore all i have said

FashionWhore · 11th October 2003, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baz

i would have to say, cut out the high pitched yelping stuff. try and develop deeper tones. it sounded fine when you were just singin normaly. but everyone i saw was cringing quite a bit at the high bits. it was a bit painfull on the old ears, and pretty annoying. just bein honest man, stick to being more subtle, it`ll fall in place sooner or later, dont force it tho, takes time. you`ll get there. the guy from thursday is a good example of how to mix it, for your type of shit, listen to how he does it, theres no need to go as high as you do, you`ll be able to get control over it with practice, unless of course you want to, in which case, ignore all i have said

aye, cheers for that - thats what i thought, the screaming wasnt supposed to be that high, it was lower up until the last practise when it kinda went wrong... i know what the problem is - its just a case of fixing it and if i cant then ill stop doin it altogether.

im actually listening to thursday at the moment.

cheers for the imput

Baz · 11th October 2003, 10:06 PM

no probs man. did`nt want to sound condescending coz im not the master of vocals myself, but i can recognise a problem. keep at it, dont be afraid to experiment different styles and sing from your gut, it`ll help to deepen the screams

Freto · 12th October 2003, 01:06 AM

yah id listen to baz! the boy sounded like mickey mouse on helium at first but theres been a dramatic progressive hardening of his vocals along with the new songs and now they are hard as fuck ooomph!

FUCKIN YES!!!!

Abbott-NYS · 12th October 2003, 02:39 PM

hey rich.....when i heard you guyz at stage, i know it was only in a rehersal situation, but i got a good listen.....i would say all you can do is practice in your house, i often find my self playing arpegios (<very bad spelling attempt lol) and training my voice along with that, or something along those lines.....i know that mite not help you much becasue u scream alot, but maybe its an idea 2 find some sort of training routine that will make your voice alot stronger.....

thats all i can think of, but if i think of anything else i'll post...

Flaming Toilet Bag · 12th October 2003, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freto

yah id listen to baz! the boy sounded like mickey mouse on helium at first but theres been a dramatic progressive hardening of his vocals along with the new songs and now they are hard as fuck ooomph!

FUCKIN YES!!!!

everyone's got their limits...some people can't hit lower notes?

why not develop what you have as opposed to changing it to suit other people?

but in agreement with other people, just sing more and more and it gets stronger - practicing at home does help and helps you to discover what exactly your limits are, and what you should try to sing, and what you shouldn't.

Flaming Toilet Bag · 12th October 2003, 03:22 PM

there's been a couple of vocal threads on here, one of which i started

you could try looking back through those, some good tips in there as i remember.

aunt gary · 12th October 2003, 04:34 PM

Hey there sports fans

yeh I thought Rich's Singing woz decent enough for the music they were doing, but really I thought the screaming had to be taken down a lot, jus focus more on a voice than a scream coz the music sounds heavy, I think Baz has given the best advice really, thursday singer is amazing I love the band, & dont try to be like him (Im sure you wouldnt anyway) but try picking up on the level, in time you will get good,

Chow Ding

FashionWhore · 12th October 2003, 06:55 PM

cheers cheers

im dif gonna try some new stuff... tho its harder to scream from the gut then it sounds.... and its also hard to practise screamin in my house, tho i try...

hopefully next time u all c us play ill be able to keep in key.... without breaking glass.

Rebelius · 14th October 2003, 03:35 PM

I'd say take up karate if you wana learn to scream from the gut. An just listen to Albums like RPM by Rise Against an sing along. But then again, i know fuck all about vocals, i cant sing for shit and dont try unless i know noone can hear.

DJ_is_ghetto · 19th October 2003, 12:23 PM

Tim from rise against is one of the best punk vocalists about.

I started singing a couple songs for my band a few months ago and it was total shite at first. But I just sang all the time in my house and stuff. I'm not too much better but my voice is a lot stronger and louder. I tend to run out of breath too quick and i don't have a great range but it'll come with practise i hope.

You should try not to sing along with CD's too much. because you'll start to depend on the vocalist from the CD as a cruch for your own voice and when you go to sing without it you'll sound pish.

Try singing different types of music as well. Not just punk/metal/emo like frank sinatra or something it'll help you stay in key and make your transition from note to note smoother

Rosco the magnificent · 19th October 2003, 08:16 PM

It takes ages to get screaming right- you have to practise it or you just sound daft. You'll probably find a point in your throat where it'll sound vicious and then take it from there. Practise makes perfect.

11th October 2003, 05:48 PM	#1 (permalink)
FashionWhore Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Dundee Posts: 9,126	Singing.... how can i get better? I'm curious, i played my first gig as a singer last night and i thought it went not too bad cept my singing was a bit of a let down and now i want to know how i can get better! this is mainly directed at people who have heard me sing, but general tips would be nice too [seriously - no taking the piss]

12th October 2003, 01:06 AM	#5 (permalink)
Freto Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Glasgow Posts: 1,528	yah id listen to baz! the boy sounded like mickey mouse on helium at first but theres been a dramatic progressive hardening of his vocals along with the new songs and now they are hard as fuck ooomph! FUCKIN YES!!!! Last edited by Freto : 12th October 2003 at 01:11 AM.

11th October 2003, 08:43 PM	#2 (permalink)
Baz Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dundee Posts: 4,687 Band: 15 Minutes	i would have to say, cut out the high pitched yelping stuff. try and develop deeper tones. it sounded fine when you were just singin normaly. but everyone i saw was cringing quite a bit at the high bits. it was a bit painfull on the old ears, and pretty annoying. just bein honest man, stick to being more subtle, it`ll fall in place sooner or later, dont force it tho, takes time. you`ll get there. the guy from thursday is a good example of how to mix it, for your type of shit, listen to how he does it, theres no need to go as high as you do, you`ll be able to get control over it with practice, unless of course you want to, in which case, ignore all i have said

11th October 2003, 10:06 PM	#4 (permalink)
Baz Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dundee Posts: 4,687 Band: 15 Minutes	no probs man. did`nt want to sound condescending coz im not the master of vocals myself, but i can recognise a problem. keep at it, dont be afraid to experiment different styles and sing from your gut, it`ll help to deepen the screams

12th October 2003, 02:39 PM	#6 (permalink)
Abbott-NYS Banned Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Glasgow/Dundee Posts: 3,292 Band: Not Your Saviour	hey rich.....when i heard you guyz at stage, i know it was only in a rehersal situation, but i got a good listen.....i would say all you can do is practice in your house, i often find my self playing arpegios (<very bad spelling attempt lol) and training my voice along with that, or something along those lines.....i know that mite not help you much becasue u scream alot, but maybe its an idea 2 find some sort of training routine that will make your voice alot stronger..... thats all i can think of, but if i think of anything else i'll post...

12th October 2003, 03:22 PM	#8 (permalink)
Flaming Toilet Bag Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Gone. Posts: 2,537	there's been a couple of vocal threads on here, one of which i started you could try looking back through those, some good tips in there as i remember.

12th October 2003, 04:34 PM	#9 (permalink)
aunt gary Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Dundee Posts: 7,351	Hey there sports fans yeh I thought Rich's Singing woz decent enough for the music they were doing, but really I thought the screaming had to be taken down a lot, jus focus more on a voice than a scream coz the music sounds heavy, I think Baz has given the best advice really, thursday singer is amazing I love the band, & dont try to be like him (Im sure you wouldnt anyway) but try picking up on the level, in time you will get good, Chow Ding

12th October 2003, 06:55 PM	#10 (permalink)
FashionWhore Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Dundee Posts: 9,126	cheers cheers im dif gonna try some new stuff... tho its harder to scream from the gut then it sounds.... and its also hard to practise screamin in my house, tho i try... hopefully next time u all c us play ill be able to keep in key.... without breaking glass.

14th October 2003, 03:35 PM	#11 (permalink)
Rebelius Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 7,169	I'd say take up karate if you wana learn to scream from the gut. An just listen to Albums like RPM by Rise Against an sing along. But then again, i know fuck all about vocals, i cant sing for shit and dont try unless i know noone can hear.

19th October 2003, 12:23 PM	#12 (permalink)
DJ_is_ghetto Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Glenrothes Posts: 639	Tim from rise against is one of the best punk vocalists about. I started singing a couple songs for my band a few months ago and it was total shite at first. But I just sang all the time in my house and stuff. I'm not too much better but my voice is a lot stronger and louder. I tend to run out of breath too quick and i don't have a great range but it'll come with practise i hope. You should try not to sing along with CD's too much. because you'll start to depend on the vocalist from the CD as a cruch for your own voice and when you go to sing without it you'll sound pish. Try singing different types of music as well. Not just punk/metal/emo like frank sinatra or something it'll help you stay in key and make your transition from note to note smoother

19th October 2003, 08:16 PM	#13 (permalink)
Rosco the magnificent ping-pong Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Lenzieshire (for a little while) Posts: 4,143 Band: My Own Religion	It takes ages to get screaming right- you have to practise it or you just sound daft. You'll probably find a point in your throat where it'll sound vicious and then take it from there. Practise makes perfect.