Snare Drum

[Bobsy]

Anyone know what size/material of snare drum abe from the deftones uses on the white pony album? I think its fuckin lovely but chances are i wont be able to afford the actual one he uses so if someone knows what size and material it is i can get a similar one

[MotioN]

Ahh yeah, the sound on Digital Bath is suuuppoooiib.

[MotioN]

"Abe Cunningham:
Drums- Orange County Drums and Percussion w/ 14 vented snare drum cymbals: (Zildjian) 14 Z hi hats, 18 Z crash, 19" Z crash, 22 A medium ride, 18 Z China remo heads."

thats all i found really.

[mrlizard]

The snare sounds amazing on that album, No idea what he used but i think its most likely blended in with samples.

[Bobsy]

Hmmm, it sounds awful like a piccolo sized snare drum to me, but i dont know that much and could be completely wrong I'll just test a bunch out and see what i like best. ya never know, i might prefer one thats completely different. But if someone has any info on this still then it would be appreciated muchly

[mrlizard]

it's definately not a piccolo snare, it has a good crack but also has a bit of depth to it.

i found this on this on an audio newsgroup

Andy Wallace used to use samples religiously, not sure if he still does this
all the time though... I hear it on some albums and not others. Terry Date uses
pretty much the same samples on everything he does (and Ulrich Wild has
apparently stolen them on everything HE does). I have a few great samples that
I use when needed, but I've had better luck creating my own than any sample CD
I've heard. Big Fish Audio has a sample CD called "Drum Doctor" that's pretty
good though.

Later,
J.P.

[mrlizard]

Heres an interview too

MP: You can definitely hear the difference in production between your first and second records. The drum sound and the whole band now sounds a lot more thick and lush.

AC: Yeah, we spent a lot more time thinking about those things and talking with producer Terry Date about different things we wanted to hear. Terry has just so much experience to offer us, too. When he did our first record, he had just come from doing a White Zombie album for the previous six months, and he was a bit burned out. This time, he took almost a year off before he went to work with us. It was so nice because everyone was ready to do it, and Terry knew exactly what would be right for what we wanted. He really put it all together for us.

MP: Did you use a lot of different drums to get the sounds you wanted, or was it more a combination of mic's and the room?

AC: We used the same kit throughout the whole record, but I swapped different snares around for practically every song. I think I've sort of refined what I want in a snare sound now. I've always liked getting a nice crack, but the older I'm getting, the more I'm getting into that fatter sound. Sometimes I like really loose snares. I'm always adjusting my snare tension, just to try to blend that crack with the fat sound.

I used to like piccolo snares a lot, but now I mainly use a 6x14 snare that's 20-ply maple with die-cast rims and four 1" holes drilled into the shell. It's become my main snare now because it's sort of the best of both worlds for me. But I'm really happy with my whole kit. My drums come from Orange County Drums & Percussion. They're really well made, and they've got great tone.

We did a cool experiment with one song that didn't make it on the album. We set two kits up, one of them upstairs in the balcony of the studio and one down below. I played the main track on the kit downstairs, then went upstairs and played that kit, but still recording it with the room mic's from downstairs. I used two 19" crashes for a hi-hat. It was just a really bizarre experiment, but it was toward the end of our time in the studio and we didn't have a lot of time to play with it. It came out okay, though, and the song might make it onto a B-side or something.

MP: Did you play to a click? I'm asking because your timing seems really tight.

AC: No, I don't use a click. I can; I don't have a problem with it. We tried once, I think, but we really didn't need it. I don't know if good timing comes naturally to me or not, but I think I trained myself for that without even realizing it. It starts by playing to records with these bad-ass studio drummers on them, like Steely Dan records with guys like Jeff Porcaro. I don't know if they used clicks or not, but their timing is right on, and I guess playing along to them sort of taught me to be a stronger timekeeper.

MP: Like training wheels on a bicycle.

AC: Totally. After you ride with training wheels, you take 'em off and you can ride on your own.

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[Jon]

cheapest oc snare will cost you about 400 quid... should know our drummer has one - definetly worth the money

vents on oc's are expensive tho - it rediculous the amount of cash it costs to get a big hole put in your snare

[Bobsy]

I was only really lookin to fork out £150/200, while orange county may be good i doubt very much that it would be worth the money unless i want a wierd size or finish on it, the vents make it louder and much more responsive (or something like that) but you could get pretty much the same effect by turning up the mic and usig a diffeent head. Could be wrong, could be very very wrong, probably am

[mrlizard]

I would go to RWJ in perth and hit loads of snares till you hear one you like. Describe the sort of sound you are looking for to the guy.

[MotioN]

Yeah RWJ all the way dude.

[njw]

even i feel comfortable in RWJ and im not a drummer!

[MotioN]

they forced me into buying a 270quid UFIP ride cymbal the other day, forced i tells ya!!!

[Abbott-NYS]

dont worry, we belive you moe....