Drum FAQ's - Page 5

ArchFlameTera · 30th August 2005, 12:24 AM

He's got a quite decent Yamaha Kit! Dunno much else!

Live, the bass drum doesnt cut through the guitars and bass, so if triggers are being used, he can boost the high end and get a "click" sound from it, which will cut through everything!

Basically, it sounds better!

Rosco the Bosco · 30th August 2005, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ArchFlameTera

Im no a drummer, but our drummer is looking into getting some triggers set up to enhance the sound of his bass drum. Can anyone reccomend any particular modules?

cheersssssssssss

tell him to learn how to tune it properly first. then ask the sound engineer to EQ the kick until u like it,

ArchFlameTera · 30th August 2005, 03:45 PM

Will do.

Bobsy · 9th October 2005, 10:43 PM

triggers are quite necessary for really heavy music with fast double bass, it'd take ages to eq a well tuned bass drum for your average double basser and even then it might not sound good. I have used triggers and whilst theyre not neccesary for me i do quite like them. I would reccomend them for self made man! Id check out ebay for an alesis d4, out of production now but they were probably the standard in the 90s, you can get one from anywhere between 50 and 100. For triggers I have a roland kick trigger which is ace, but at the same time i have no experience of any other brand so im not willing to comment, ddrum are probably the most popular so that must mean something. And despite what many people think, you CAN set the sensitivity on most brains as well so when your playing light you hear it lightly.
To sum it up, triggers are a way to get a good bassdrum sound without having to tune and eq the bassdrum, not only that but theyre handy for samples. There is a huge stigma attached to them but really theyre sound and in no way a cheating tool (unless of course you sample dead fast double bass drum sounds from it)

mrlizard · 10th October 2005, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobsy

triggers are quite necessary for really heavy music with fast double bass, it'd take ages to eq a well tuned bass drum for your average double basser and even then it might not sound good. I have used triggers and whilst theyre not neccesary for me i do quite like them. I would reccomend them for self made man! Id check out ebay for an alesis d4, out of production now but they were probably the standard in the 90s, you can get one from anywhere between 50 and 100. For triggers I have a roland kick trigger which is ace, but at the same time i have no experience of any other brand so im not willing to comment, ddrum are probably the most popular so that must mean something. And despite what many people think, you CAN set the sensitivity on most brains as well so when your playing light you hear it lightly.
To sum it up, triggers are a way to get a good bassdrum sound without having to tune and eq the bassdrum, not only that but theyre handy for samples. There is a huge stigma attached to them but really theyre sound and in no way a cheating tool (unless of course you sample dead fast double bass drum sounds from it)

the problem is getting the click from the kick when the drummer is playing fast and inconsistently, alot of drummers lose power when they play fast double kick, i think the ideal solution is not to use triggers but to learn to play fast and loud, this is pretty difficult but you have to fairly batter the head to get a good click out of it. Listen to what you are playing, if you can't hear the bass drum clicking when you play fast double kick, you are doing something wrong.

Another mistake alot of drummers make is filling the kick with a hundred cushions (ian

). I've found tuning wise if i want a super dooper clicky bass drum sound i tune the drum as low as it can go without resonating, then place a piece of material touching the batter and resonant head, that way you get the oomph and the click

If you are doing all this and you are still not satisfied, or you cant be bothered with the hassle of learning to play consitently then get a trigger, but a well played really nice bass drum will always sound a million times better.

also, why does everyone want tiny snares so bad? i want a big fuck off snare that goes POOOUUUNNNNNCHHH not a little wanker snare that goes POK! listen to you favorite cd's bet the snare go POOOUUUNNNCHHH and the kicks have a bit of oomph as well as a fuckload of click. but thats just my opinion.

behind_theory · 10th October 2005, 01:15 AM

Nah man, I just got a Sonor 10" jungle snare and it makes playing dance music much more fun. POUUUUUNCCHH aint much use in this situation; a wee 'crack' is all that is needed.

Zildjiain · 10th October 2005, 09:24 AM

Haha, yeah I have a duvet and a pillow inside my bass at the moment. It sounds quite good, but its getting pretty flat as the head gets older. Im gonna get a new head (powerstroke 3 are awesome for maple) and take one of them out, probably the duvet.

Robin, do you use those 13" A Custom hats you find in your cupboard?

mrlizard · 10th October 2005, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by behind_theory

Nah man, I just got a Sonor 10" jungle snare and it makes playing dance music much more fun. POUUUUUNCCHH aint much use in this situation; a wee 'crack' is all that is needed.

fair doos

mrlizard · 10th October 2005, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by iain-3tr

Haha, yeah I have a duvet and a pillow inside my bass at the moment. It sounds quite good, but its getting pretty flat as the head gets older. Im gonna get a new head (powerstroke 3 are awesome for maple) and take one of them out, probably the duvet.

Robin, do you use those 13" A Custom hats you find in your cupboard?

i'll swap you a cardboard box for your bass drum, you'll never tell the difference, honest

. Yeah i still use those hats, they are awesome.

ArchFlameTera · 10th October 2005, 10:36 AM

cheers for the trigger advice guys.

fraserlaeto · 10th October 2005, 01:00 PM

the lovely thing about acoustic instruments is the dynamic and personality they allow. using a sample doesn't cut it for me. it's a poor show.
be tight. when 4 people hit notes at exactly the same time, you hear it, you won't need to cut through. messy incoherent sound is usually derived from messy playing first and foremost.

fraserlaeto · 10th October 2005, 01:01 PM

and a snare should be at least a foot deep and 2ft wide.

Zildjiain · 10th October 2005, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mrlizard

i'll swap you a cardboard box for your bass drum, you'll never tell the difference, honest

. Yeah i still use those hats, they are awesome.

My bass drum does actually sound good! (to me at least!)

I was thinking about getting 13" AC hats, but got 12" AC Mastersound instead

Bobsy · 10th October 2005, 10:49 PM

I see where your comin from robin, personally i'll only use my trigger when I really need it which will be very rarely lookin at my currently empty as fuck gig calendar. However its like saying an acoustic guitar through a distortion pedal will do just the job a spiky jackson will do....well not really but thhe whole triggered consistent sound is necessary imo in that style of music. Its like putting a jazz drummer on a kit with a 24 inch kick and big rock cymbals, just sounds and feels wrong.
The thing is, bass drums are big fuckers, they have a lot of air floatin about them, you need to tune them very slack in order to get a good sound thus creating no rebound making it harder to put more power in, when you play fast on a bass drum due to all of the above it sounds like a muffled mess. If you padded it a lot it would make it cleaner, but then your bassdrum will sound shite (sorry ian) Triggers are just more efficient, convenient, and in certain styles of music downright neccesary!
I would consider my bass drum work to be one of my better points, its powerful, clean, yadda yadda but when playing on a large un-muffled kick drum it doesnt come through, once i move above 180 bpm it starts to be a bit muffled sounding, 200 bpm and its a low hum yet with triggers it sounds precise cos the triggers seperate each single beat and make it clearer.
You try play double bass above 200 bpm on a single bassdrum and tell me that it cuts through?

30th August 2005, 12:24 AM	#61 (permalink)
ArchFlameTera Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Dundonia!!!!!!!!! Posts: 4,685 Band: A Parting Shot (erratic grind madness) + Vulsellum (old school death metal)	He's got a quite decent Yamaha Kit! Dunno much else! Live, the bass drum doesnt cut through the guitars and bass, so if triggers are being used, he can boost the high end and get a "click" sound from it, which will cut through everything! Basically, it sounds better!

30th August 2005, 03:45 PM	#63 (permalink)
ArchFlameTera Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Dundonia!!!!!!!!! Posts: 4,685 Band: A Parting Shot (erratic grind madness) + Vulsellum (old school death metal)	Will do.

9th October 2005, 10:43 PM	#64 (permalink)
Bobsy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Glasgow Posts: 3,334 Band: Concurrence, Priveleged Girls After School Club	triggers are quite necessary for really heavy music with fast double bass, it'd take ages to eq a well tuned bass drum for your average double basser and even then it might not sound good. I have used triggers and whilst theyre not neccesary for me i do quite like them. I would reccomend them for self made man! Id check out ebay for an alesis d4, out of production now but they were probably the standard in the 90s, you can get one from anywhere between 50 and 100. For triggers I have a roland kick trigger which is ace, but at the same time i have no experience of any other brand so im not willing to comment, ddrum are probably the most popular so that must mean something. And despite what many people think, you CAN set the sensitivity on most brains as well so when your playing light you hear it lightly. To sum it up, triggers are a way to get a good bassdrum sound without having to tune and eq the bassdrum, not only that but theyre handy for samples. There is a huge stigma attached to them but really theyre sound and in no way a cheating tool (unless of course you sample dead fast double bass drum sounds from it)

10th October 2005, 01:15 AM	#66 (permalink)
behind_theory Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 513	Nah man, I just got a Sonor 10" jungle snare and it makes playing dance music much more fun. POUUUUUNCCHH aint much use in this situation; a wee 'crack' is all that is needed.

10th October 2005, 09:24 AM	#67 (permalink)
Zildjiain Wants to change his name Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Glasgow Posts: 899 Band: of Brothers	Haha, yeah I have a duvet and a pillow inside my bass at the moment. It sounds quite good, but its getting pretty flat as the head gets older. Im gonna get a new head (powerstroke 3 are awesome for maple) and take one of them out, probably the duvet. Robin, do you use those 13" A Custom hats you find in your cupboard?

10th October 2005, 10:36 AM	#70 (permalink)
ArchFlameTera Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Dundonia!!!!!!!!! Posts: 4,685 Band: A Parting Shot (erratic grind madness) + Vulsellum (old school death metal)	cheers for the trigger advice guys.

10th October 2005, 01:00 PM	#71 (permalink)
fraserlaeto Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Brighton Posts: 112	the lovely thing about acoustic instruments is the dynamic and personality they allow. using a sample doesn't cut it for me. it's a poor show. be tight. when 4 people hit notes at exactly the same time, you hear it, you won't need to cut through. messy incoherent sound is usually derived from messy playing first and foremost.

10th October 2005, 01:01 PM	#72 (permalink)
fraserlaeto Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Brighton Posts: 112	and a snare should be at least a foot deep and 2ft wide.

10th October 2005, 10:49 PM	#74 (permalink)
Bobsy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Glasgow Posts: 3,334 Band: Concurrence, Priveleged Girls After School Club	I see where your comin from robin, personally i'll only use my trigger when I really need it which will be very rarely lookin at my currently empty as fuck gig calendar. However its like saying an acoustic guitar through a distortion pedal will do just the job a spiky jackson will do....well not really but thhe whole triggered consistent sound is necessary imo in that style of music. Its like putting a jazz drummer on a kit with a 24 inch kick and big rock cymbals, just sounds and feels wrong. The thing is, bass drums are big fuckers, they have a lot of air floatin about them, you need to tune them very slack in order to get a good sound thus creating no rebound making it harder to put more power in, when you play fast on a bass drum due to all of the above it sounds like a muffled mess. If you padded it a lot it would make it cleaner, but then your bassdrum will sound shite (sorry ian) Triggers are just more efficient, convenient, and in certain styles of music downright neccesary! I would consider my bass drum work to be one of my better points, its powerful, clean, yadda yadda but when playing on a large un-muffled kick drum it doesnt come through, once i move above 180 bpm it starts to be a bit muffled sounding, 200 bpm and its a low hum yet with triggers it sounds precise cos the triggers seperate each single beat and make it clearer. You try play double bass above 200 bpm on a single bassdrum and tell me that it cuts through?