Drum FAQ's - Page 6

mrlizard · 10th October 2005, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobsy

thus creating no rebound making it harder to put more power in,

Ever adjusted the spring on yer pedal before?.

I agree that triggers are useful for certain styles of music, super heavy stuff really. I dont think any drummer should use them until they have a grasp of dynamics. if you cant play fast with the right dynamics then you are playing beyond your ability, simple as that. (not you personally just in general)

personally, i hate double kick never use it. I think there are too many drummers that can play super fancy fast stuff, but are totally incapable of keeping time.

bip pok bip bip bip pok bip bip

Rosco the Bosco · 10th October 2005, 11:54 PM

john bonham.
nae triggers, nae double pedal.
the boss.

Zildjiain · 11th October 2005, 09:07 AM

I am going to change my bass drum sound, defiently. I'll get a new head around November/December and I'm gonna spend ages getting the right tuning, and remove soon of my muffling. People have said my bass drum sounds really good before, and I think it does, but it has been sounding quite flat to me recently.

I like using double bass, but I know I use too much of it. I'm really trying to cut down in our songs (only 1 on the 5 song EP with no double bass). I'm starting to really work on heel-toe trying to get that good. I've managed the basic punk beat a few times with one foot but my foot begins to get tired very quickly.
I can do heel-toe on the hi-hat on it's own, but never manage to keep it going in a beat.

njw · 11th October 2005, 09:17 AM

practise practise practise till your foot becomes strong and fat like a tree trunk.

Keerin · 11th October 2005, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by mrlizard

II think there are too many drummers that can play super fancy fast stuff, but are totally incapable of keeping time.

not just that, but usually people will just work on their feet and their arms will suffer. i am a prime example of that.

wow, cool a double bass pedal. two years later, my feet are extremely fast but ica n only do extremely simple stuff with my arms cos i've not learned anything new for two years becauyse i've been too busy training my legs.

personally i would prefer not to use triggers, i'd prefer to do it the natural way, like mr lizard said until i can tune my bass trum perfectly and can play loud enough.

ArchFlameTera · 11th October 2005, 01:26 PM

i have no idea what tempo's he plays up to, but they are fairly speedy.

He's one of the few drummers locally that ive seen that can play on a double bass just as loud as a single bass, if not louder.

Just gets lost in the mix, live anyway.

mrlizard · 11th October 2005, 02:08 PM

Booom Poouuunnnchh Boooomm Boooom Booomm Ppoouuunnnnchh

johnny briggs · 11th October 2005, 07:51 PM

training up should never involve concentrating on one thing for such a long length of time. If you work on your feet and hands at the same time then not only are you going to build up speed and correct impact with both but also syncopation between the two.

johnny briggs · 11th October 2005, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ArchFlameTera

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Just gets lost in the mix, live anyway.

the reason for that being that the individuals in the band (as a generalisation) are not playing with respect to whats going on around them. if its metal with crazy fast pedal work then the riffs over the top should surely mirror this and be in time. Coupled with a drummer who plays loud and clear and also in time then you could be forgiven for thinking that triggers were being used.

Chunder · 11th October 2005, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by iain-3tr

I am going to change my bass drum sound, defiently. I'll get a new head around November/December and I'm gonna spend ages getting the right tuning, and remove soon of my muffling. People have said my bass drum sounds really good before, and I think it does, but it has been sounding quite flat to me recently.

I like using double bass, but I know I use too much of it. I'm really trying to cut down in our songs (only 1 on the 5 song EP with no double bass). I'm starting to really work on heel-toe trying to get that good. I've managed the basic punk beat a few times with one foot but my foot begins to get tired very quickly.
I can do heel-toe on the hi-hat on it's own, but never manage to keep it going in a beat.

What do you do with your hi hats with the basic punk beat? Some people go:

HH x---x---x---x---x---x.....
SN x---x---x---x---x---x.....

and fill in the rest with the bass. Ive heard others do:

HH x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x
SN x---x---x---x---x---x

This what I do, but I just dont seem to be able to get any more speed, and I find the momentum into fills really difficult.

What about other people? How do they do a simple, fast punk beat? Im sure I hear people out there doing something like Jazz with a single then a double stroke of the hi-hat.....

johnny briggs · 12th October 2005, 12:02 AM

I do something pretty similar, in fact its hardly noticable except for it defines the snare and bass a bit

HH X---X---X---X---X---X
SN --X---X---X---X---X--

its not quite the full beat but it leaves a sonic gap for the snare

Chunder · 12th October 2005, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnny briggs

I do something pretty similar, in fact its hardly noticable except for it defines the snare and bass a bit

HH X---X---X---X---X---X
SN --X---X---X---X---X--

its not quite the full beat but it leaves a sonic gap for the snare

Hate to say it, but I think it sounds lame.... Thats what I tried at first, and really didnt like the sound, although sometimes I try to switch to this from another beat just before a fill, cos it helps with the momentum thing a bit a bit

behind_theory · 12th October 2005, 02:08 AM

My bass drum is phat as #### aye.
Aquarian Super Kick II on a 22" Gretsch maple bass drum.
The skins don't last very long and are pretty expensive (around 50 quid), but I've tried going back to Powerstrokes before and the sound aint nearly as good.

'mon the aquarian.

Zildjiain · 12th October 2005, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chunder

What do you do with your hi hats with the basic punk beat? Some people go:

HH x---x---x---x---x---x.....
SN x---x---x---x---x---x.....

and fill in the rest with the bass. Ive heard others do:

HH x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x
SN x---x---x---x---x---x

This what I do, but I just dont seem to be able to get any more speed, and I find the momentum into fills really difficult.

What about other people? How do they do a simple, fast punk beat? Im sure I hear people out there doing something like Jazz with a single then a double stroke of the hi-hat.....

I do both, but only learned the 2nd one (with double bass) fairly recently-

HH x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x
SN x---x---x---x---x---x
BD --o---oo--o--oo--o-

I'm gonna start putting that in songs because I think it sounds better than quarter note hi-hats. I'm still picking up speed in that and trying to get stick control perfect before I start using it though.

Can some find an audio of half-time shuffle? I learned this years ago but have totally forgotten it.

Bobsy · 12th October 2005, 10:24 AM

look out rosanna by toto, thats a half time funk shuffle! Its also one of those beats that are a 'must know'.
And we'll just have to beg to differ i reckon. Whilst John Bonhams footwork is pretty good, put that in hate eternal? Its gonna get down to personal preferance and whilst I do (believe it or not) prefer a well tuned and mic'd kick for dynamics (rudimental bass drum chops anyone? yes please!) I will argue to death that triggers are pretty much a necessity for death/grind/speed/etc... metal. Youd be better to ask purists of their genre for their opinion and reasoning because I can see I

11th October 2005, 09:17 AM	#79 (permalink)
njw Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: DD1 Posts: 8,089	practise practise practise till your foot becomes strong and fat like a tree trunk. __________________ You can put a cat in the oven, but that doesn't make it a biscuit.

10th October 2005, 11:54 PM	#77 (permalink)
Rosco the Bosco Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Dundee Posts: 2,709 Band: No, i've never been Banned.	john bonham. nae triggers, nae double pedal. the boss.

11th October 2005, 09:07 AM	#78 (permalink)
Zildjiain Wants to change his name Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Glasgow Posts: 913 Band: of Brothers	I am going to change my bass drum sound, defiently. I'll get a new head around November/December and I'm gonna spend ages getting the right tuning, and remove soon of my muffling. People have said my bass drum sounds really good before, and I think it does, but it has been sounding quite flat to me recently. I like using double bass, but I know I use too much of it. I'm really trying to cut down in our songs (only 1 on the 5 song EP with no double bass). I'm starting to really work on heel-toe trying to get that good. I've managed the basic punk beat a few times with one foot but my foot begins to get tired very quickly. I can do heel-toe on the hi-hat on it's own, but never manage to keep it going in a beat.

11th October 2005, 01:26 PM	#81 (permalink)
ArchFlameTera Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Dundonia!!!!!!!!! Posts: 4,688 Band: A Parting Shot (erratic grind madness) + Vulsellum (old school death metal)	i have no idea what tempo's he plays up to, but they are fairly speedy. He's one of the few drummers locally that ive seen that can play on a double bass just as loud as a single bass, if not louder. Just gets lost in the mix, live anyway.

11th October 2005, 02:08 PM	#82 (permalink)
mrlizard Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Glen of Tranquility Posts: 1,034	Booom Poouuunnnchh Boooomm Boooom Booomm Ppoouuunnnnchh

11th October 2005, 07:51 PM	#83 (permalink)
johnny briggs Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Nicaragua Posts: 87	training up should never involve concentrating on one thing for such a long length of time. If you work on your feet and hands at the same time then not only are you going to build up speed and correct impact with both but also syncopation between the two.

12th October 2005, 12:02 AM	#86 (permalink)
johnny briggs Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Nicaragua Posts: 87	I do something pretty similar, in fact its hardly noticable except for it defines the snare and bass a bit HH X---X---X---X---X---X SN --X---X---X---X---X-- its not quite the full beat but it leaves a sonic gap for the snare

12th October 2005, 02:08 AM	#88 (permalink)
behind_theory Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 521	My bass drum is phat as #### aye. Aquarian Super Kick II on a 22" Gretsch maple bass drum. The skins don't last very long and are pretty expensive (around 50 quid), but I've tried going back to Powerstrokes before and the sound aint nearly as good. 'mon the aquarian.