Laney Amps

[captain ahab]

Originally Posted by Becca Bomb

fire on

ive decided which amp im buying so star trek away guys

come on then becca, tell us what you have decided on!

[captain ahab]

Originally Posted by suicidalsid

Actually it does have everything to do with becca bomb as she is in my band. I established, through mrlizzards advice that I needed a low wattage valve amp. The laney would have been too loud for home recording so I wanted advice on amps of 5 watts, or there-abouts. We were both fustrated because people went off on tangents about the difference between SS and tube amps, ie geek talk.

In the post you refer to, I believe that mr lizard hadn't realized that the laney VC15 WAS a low powered valve combo and mistook it for a cheaper solid state device. I'm sure if he had, he would have told you that can get good sounds from a decent amplifier under 30 watts in a home recording situation. Why ask for advice when you don't read it properly. Seems a bit pointless like.

[mrlizard]

Originally Posted by captain ahab

In the post you refer to, I believe that mr lizard hadn't realized that the laney VC15 WAS a low powered valve combo and mistook it for a cheaper solid state device. I'm sure if he had, he would have told you that can get good sounds from a decent amplifier under 30 watts in a home recording situation. Why ask for advice when you don't read it properly. Seems a bit pointless like.

you're right, i saw laney and thought 'shite'

oops.

[suicidalsid]

Originally Posted by captain ahab

Why ask for advice when you don't read it properly. Seems a bit pointless like.

Well I did read it properly, the fault lies with mrlizzard who didn't know that the laney was a valve amp.

He's obviously a bit elitist anyways therefore obscuring his judgement:

Originally Posted by mrlizard

you're right, i saw laney and thought 'shite'

oops.

I can't afford to spend £500+ on an amp, so i was looking at cheaper alternatives hence the laney.

Anyways I've come to the conclusion i'm either gonna get the epiphone valve junior and get it some decent tubes or spend a bit more and get a 6 watt fender champ.

[mrlizard]

Originally Posted by suicidalsid

Well I did read it properly, the fault lies with mrlizzard who didn't know that the laney was a valve amp.

He's obviously a bit elitist anyways therefore obscuring his judgement:



I can't afford to spend £500+ on an amp, so i was looking at cheaper alternatives hence the laney.

Anyways I've come to the conclusion i'm either gonna get the epiphone valve junior and get it some decent tubes or spend a bit more and get a 6 watt fender champ.

yeah, i'm totally elitist, thats why i do most of my recording through an (awesome) valve sovtek that cost 100 quid.

I dont understand how assuming a valve amp was solid state can make me elitist?

Also there is nothing obscured about my judgement, what i know about guitar amps is based on using different ones every second day for the last 5 years, not just favouring the expensive ones, as you'll discover if you read any of the posts i've made on this subject in the past.

Yes, i made an assumption in my original post, yes it was a silly mistake,
but my point still stands, any laney amp i've heard, apart from the old ones, sounds like a steaming pile of shite. Might be to your taste though, who knows.

[suicidalsid]

Originally Posted by mrlizard

yeah, i'm totally elitist, thats why i do most of my recording through an (awesome) valve sovtek that cost 100 quid.

I dont understand how assuming a valve amp was solid state can make me elitist?

Also there is nothing obscured about my judgement, what i know about guitar amps is based on using different ones every second day for the last 5 years, not just favouring the expensive ones, as you'll discover if you read any of the posts i've made on this subject in the past.

Yes, i made an assumption in my original post, yes it was a silly mistake,
but my point still stands, any laney amp i've heard, apart from the old ones, sounds like a steaming pile of shite. Might be to your taste though, who knows.

fair do's. i am actually greatful for your advice.

[Pob]

The 2 watt valve Matamp Minimats are really rather good. They are too loud to turn up full in a flat and not annoy the neighbours. You can also customise it anyway you want and have your name inscribed on it.

Matamp wattages can be very confusing though as they set the figure at when the amp starts to break up.

[suicidalsid]

Originally Posted by Pob

The 2 watt valve Matamp Minimats are really rather good. They are too loud to turn up full in a flat and not annoy the neighbours. You can also customise it anyway you want and have your name inscribed on it.

Matamp wattages can be very confusing though as they set the figure at when the amp starts to break up.

I take it u still need to buy a cab for this? can u afford to skimp on your cab if u put more money into the head or will this just make it sound shit? it might be worth checking out when i can afford one...

I'm still thinking about getting the epiphone valve jnr and doing this mod:
http://www.euthymia.org/DIY/VJmods.html

trouble is i know feck all about modding anything, let alone valve amplifiers. so i'll need to learn quick or pay someone to do it for me - which may cost so much it's not worth doing.

[captain ahab]

Originally Posted by suicidalsid

I take it u still need to buy a cab for this? can u afford to skimp on your cab if u put more money into the head or will this just make it sound shit? it might be worth checking out when i can afford one...

I'm still thinking about getting the epiphone valve jnr and doing this mod:
http://www.euthymia.org/DIY/VJmods.html

trouble is i know feck all about modding anything, let alone valve amplifiers. so i'll need to learn quick or pay someone to do it for me - which may cost so much it's not worth doing.

Pobs right, the minimat is fucking awesome. Great clean tones at low volumes and thick, creamy Class A overdrive when you crank it. That might not be what you are looking for regarding the music you play however. if you want a cab for recording why not ask someone (a joiner or cabinetmaker) to make you the enclosure from 3/4" ply and buy a celestion vintage 30 (or greenback or whatever you like) to whack in it. £120 max, and as good as anything out there. I am about to build a couple for myself and a friend... but i am a joiner with a workshop which makes it slightly easier.
Please don't buy the epiphone man, you will be disappointed...seriously. I know good tone, and this amp is weak, poorly built and, well its all hype. Unless of course you actually like the amp, in which case i say "each to their own (as long as it aint solid state)"

[I_got_a_mohawk]

If your making a cab or having someone make a cab, make sure they build it to the right T/S specifications of the speaker tho, this wont matter if your going for something thats open backed as its just = to an infinate baffle, but, if its closed/sealed its a bit trickier, has to be a specific internal volume, and if its ported (not to common with guitar cabs), then its even more of a pain as you need to take the port size into consideration aswell

[captain ahab]

Originally Posted by I_got_a_mohawk

If your making a cab or having someone make a cab, make sure they build it to the right T/S specifications of the speaker tho, this wont matter if your going for something thats open backed as its just = to an infinate baffle, but, if its closed/sealed its a bit trickier, has to be a specific internal volume, and if its ported (not to common with guitar cabs), then its even more of a pain as you need to take the port size into consideration aswell

exactly. I'm a great fan of closed back cabinets, mainly for the focused, tight sound good ones produce, the internal volume (dictated by the dimensions) i'll lift from a mesa 1x12 cabinet, zero hassle in that respect! Have you built a bass cab before man? i'd be interested to hear you thoughts on your ideal constructiuon and layout. When you refer to an open back cab, are you talking about fully open? because a completely open back behaves quite differently to 3/4 or 1/2 open back. its also important when building speaker enclosures to take into consideration your cabinet material and baffle material. different materials resonate in different ways- 3/4 ply will be more sonically dead than, say solid ash maybe.

oh and plenty glue please

rattles are fooking annoying!

[Hometown Zero]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Dallas-Scala-Class-A-All-Valve-Guitar-Amp-Great-Tone_W0QQitemZ140009563927QQihZ004QQcategoryZ10171 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

what say ye all on this? never heard of the make but that doesnt mean anything!

[I_got_a_mohawk]

Originally Posted by captain ahab

exactly. I'm a great fan of closed back cabinets, mainly for the focused, tight sound good ones produce, the internal volume (dictated by the dimensions) i'll lift from a mesa 1x12 cabinet, zero hassle in that respect! Have you built a bass cab before man? i'd be interested to hear you thoughts on your ideal constructiuon and layout. When you refer to an open back cab, are you talking about fully open? because a completely open back behaves quite differently to 3/4 or 1/2 open back. its also important when building speaker enclosures to take into consideration your cabinet material and baffle material. different materials resonate in different ways- 3/4 ply will be more sonically dead than, say solid ash maybe.

oh and plenty glue please

rattles are fooking annoying!

Ive never made my own, but, i must admit, im pretty simple, not a fan of anything too complex, im a big fan of a sealed 8x10 enclosure or a ported 2x15 (two completelly different yet great sounds).

I do realise that id effects it how much coverage there is, i just honestly didnt think it mattered too much, what i do remember is that with a fully open backed cab its classed as an infinate baffle, and yeah, the internal wadding can make a surprising amount of difference, apparently adding another 1/2 inch of a denser wadding to newer ampeg 810E cabs makes a huge difference to them.

And, about baffle materials, they dont matter as much in the bass world to be honest, if its sturdy enough to hold thats what counts, but i dare say its alot to do with the different resonance frequencies produced by the different instruments . . . and guitarists being fussy buggers

Now that im thinking about it, if i dont have a 2x10 by next year (i want to replace my 4x10 with something more portable, still having the big boys for gigs), then i may consider making a 2x10 cab, sealed, maybe use some eminence Neo speakers, could be a fun project!

Also, did you ever get round to your case making? I may be in the market for a high quality 4U case for my SVT

- Will

[Daveoftheband]

laney amps are the johnathon king of rigs