Laney Amps

suicidalsid · 21st July 2006, 01:43 PM

Anyone no anywhere that stocks laney amps? I'm thinking about getting the Laney VC15 for home recording after reading great reviews of it. the price seems great and it looks cool as fook.

Also if I hook it up to a cabinet it should sound great in bigger venues too right?

Any other amps in that price range i should consider?

ArchFlameTera · 21st July 2006, 01:48 PM

hmm ive used a few laney half stacks / combos before, but while you do get a decent sound from them it seems when you crank up the volume you get a crazy amount of feedback, regardless of the pickups.

suicidalsid · 21st July 2006, 01:53 PM

excellent i love feedback! I should say I would be using a pedal for distortion so this would take some of the strain of having you amps volume way up wouldn't it?

Satori · 21st July 2006, 02:01 PM

Yeah most people listening to yuor recordings wont like feedback though

ArchFlameTera · 21st July 2006, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by suicidalsid

excellent i love feedback! I should say I would be using a pedal for distortion so this would take some of the strain of having you amps volume way up wouldn't it?

no, i would think the opposite.

im not sure if all laneys work this way but im pretty sure to turn the volume up to giggable levels you need to turn the gain up quite a bit. if youve got your own distortion pedal going through an amp with gain on it aswell that will make matters a lot worse!

suicidalsid · 21st July 2006, 02:05 PM

well for home recording i can't have it very loud anyways cause i live in a flat. people do love feedback on jimi hendrix, jesus and mary chain, velvet underground, ad infinitum... records.

suicidalsid · 21st July 2006, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ArchFlameTera

no, i would think the opposite.

im not sure if all laneys work this way but im pretty sure to turn the volume up to giggable levels you need to turn the gain up quite a bit. if youve got your own distortion pedal going through an amp with gain on it aswell that will make matters a lot worse!

that would sound shit, oh well i'll def try it out in the shop with my pedal.

mrlizard · 21st July 2006, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by suicidalsid

well for home recording i can't have it very loud anyways cause i live in a flat. people do love feedback on jimi hendrix, jesus and mary chain, velvet underground, ad infinitum... records.

for home recording you'll be pushed to get a decent sound out of that laney, i'd recommend getting a low wattage valve combo, you can get some insane sounds out of them with the right pedal,

dont be put off by the low wattage, some of these things sound huge.

don't buy anything solid state or you'll just be disappointed.

mrlizard · 21st July 2006, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by suicidalsid

well for home recording i can't have it very loud anyways cause i live in a flat. people do love feedback on jimi hendrix, jesus and mary chain, velvet underground, ad infinitum... records.

none of those bands used shit laney's though. all of those bands used valve heads, fucking awesome vintage valve heads. theres a difference between squealing feedback from a shit combo and feedback on hendrix records.

suicidalsid · 21st July 2006, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mrlizard

for home recording you'll be pushed to get a decent sound out of that laney, i'd recommend getting a low wattage valve combo, you can get some insane sounds out of them with the right pedal,

dont be put off by the low wattage, some of these things sound huge.

don't buy anything solid state or you'll just be disappointed.

any particular amps? what about the epiphone? i love fenderish sounding amps. i play a reissue telecaster with single coils.

captain ahab · 21st July 2006, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by suicidalsid

any particular amps? what about the epiphone? i love fenderish sounding amps. i play a reissue telecaster with single coils.

nothing modern, low powered AND cheap is that good. The little laney looks pretty reasonable however! i have played laney valve amps before and they surprised me. Slightly harsh at the top end i found, but good all the same. If you can find one give it a blast, i think you might find it quite pleasant on the ear and not a million miles from the fender clean tone you desire

Beware of the false impression the wattage gives though. 15 valve powered watts is pretty close to 60 or 70 solid state watts (i.e. louder than you might think)
My advice would be to steer clear of the epiphone, it lacks versatility, clean volume, sounds mushy and lacks note definition and clarity.
Have you tried the little all-tube fender amplifier in rainbow music? its about £200 and with the tubes swapped out for something decent (tesla) it will sound pretty good. At 5 watts you will be able to get a sparkling, edgy clean tone at reasonably low volume but push the little amp hard and it will easily compete with most 50 watt solid state amps, especially through a 2 or 4x12. You'd be hard pressed to find something that sounds as good for such little initial outlay. of course you could always trawl eBay for a used princeton or champ, but you would be spending more money that way. Hope that helps in some way.

I_got_a_mohawk · 22nd July 2006, 11:26 AM

I wouldnt say 15 valve watts sounds close to 60 or 70 watts solid state, SS amps do clip horribly and hard-clipping does suck, but, id say a 60 or 70 watt SS amp is louder than a 15 watt valve amp, i know alot of people say valve amps sound like they are 3-4x higher wattage (well "SS watts"), but, im still not sold on that

, i know my SVT is loud, but, ive still to compare it to a 1200 watt SS setup!

One amp that i really like is the peavey classic 30, it has a very fendery sound to it.

http://www.peavey.com/products/brows...E+30%2F112.cfm

very nice wee amp, pretty loud, when running through a 412 its loud! I got mine for £200 secondhand with the stock peavey valves, when need-be, ill replace them with some JJ's (the current production Tesla's essentailly)

captain ahab · 22nd July 2006, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by I_got_a_mohawk

I wouldnt say 15 valve watts sounds close to 60 or 70 watts solid state, SS amps do clip horribly and hard-clipping does suck, but, id say a 60 or 70 watt SS amp is louder than a 15 watt valve amp, i know alot of people say valve amps sound like they are 3-4x higher wattage (well "SS watts"), but, im still not sold on that

, i know my SVT is loud, but, ive still to compare it to a 1200 watt SS setup!

One amp that i really like is the peavey classic 30, it has a very fendery sound to it.

http://www.peavey.com/products/brows...E+30%2F112.cfm

very nice wee amp, pretty loud, when running through a 412 its loud! I got mine for £200 secondhand with the stock peavey valves, when need-be, ill replace them with some JJ's (the current production Tesla's essentailly)

In my experience (which is extensive may i add) a 15 watt valve amplifier has the body, presence and perceived volume to swamp anything up to 70 or 80 watts solid state, as long as the same speaker enclosure is used for both to give a fair comparison (if such a thing exists!)
In my possession currently is a 60 watt EL34 based valve amplifier. i have heard this amplifier at three quarters volume through a 2x12 BURY a marshall 275 watt valvestate through a 4x12 set at full chat. Thats over four times the wattage, but the perceived volume was much higher from the lower powered valve amp. My knowledge doesn't stretch as far with bass amplification i must add...

mrlizard · 22nd July 2006, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by I_got_a_mohawk

know alot of people say valve amps sound like they are 3-4x higher wattage (well "SS watts"), but, im still not sold on that

, i

When you're talking about clipping they do, you can get around 30% more gain out of the pre and power stages of a valve amp before it can be percieved as distortion, it'll add even order harmonics (arguably distortion) but an effect that is pleasing to the ear, wheras with solid state when its clipping its clipping, and its clipping hard! so less volume before it starts sounding shite.

The bass amp comparison is not a good one, i don't know much about bass amps but if i owned an SVT i would try and run it within it's linear operating level, so i wouldn't be hearing that extra percieved volume. A well designed valve amp can sound just as clean as a good solid state one.

suicidalsid · 22nd July 2006, 07:24 PM

ok thanks for all the advice. i think what i am now looking for is a low wattage valve amp primarily for home recording. could this be an amp head?! the only low wattage amp i've really seen is the epiphone valve junior which i've heard makes quite a lot of hum. what other amps like this are there?

21st July 2006, 01:43 PM	#1 (permalink)
suicidalsid Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: dundee Posts: 198	Laney Amps Anyone no anywhere that stocks laney amps? I'm thinking about getting the Laney VC15 for home recording after reading great reviews of it. the price seems great and it looks cool as fook. Also if I hook it up to a cabinet it should sound great in bigger venues too right? Any other amps in that price range i should consider?

22nd July 2006, 07:24 PM	#15 (permalink)
suicidalsid Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: dundee Posts: 198	ok thanks for all the advice. i think what i am now looking for is a low wattage valve amp primarily for home recording. could this be an amp head?! the only low wattage amp i've really seen is the epiphone valve junior which i've heard makes quite a lot of hum. what other amps like this are there?
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21st July 2006, 01:48 PM	#2 (permalink)
ArchFlameTera Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Dundonia!!!!!!!!! Posts: 4,685 Band: A Parting Shot (erratic grind madness) + Vulsellum (old school death metal)	hmm ive used a few laney half stacks / combos before, but while you do get a decent sound from them it seems when you crank up the volume you get a crazy amount of feedback, regardless of the pickups.

21st July 2006, 01:53 PM	#3 (permalink)
suicidalsid Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: dundee Posts: 198	excellent i love feedback! I should say I would be using a pedal for distortion so this would take some of the strain of having you amps volume way up wouldn't it?

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Satori Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 477	Yeah most people listening to yuor recordings wont like feedback though

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suicidalsid Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: dundee Posts: 198	well for home recording i can't have it very loud anyways cause i live in a flat. people do love feedback on jimi hendrix, jesus and mary chain, velvet underground, ad infinitum... records.

22nd July 2006, 11:26 AM	#12 (permalink)
I_got_a_mohawk Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Blairgowrie Posts: 4,733 Band: Spengler	I wouldnt say 15 valve watts sounds close to 60 or 70 watts solid state, SS amps do clip horribly and hard-clipping does suck, but, id say a 60 or 70 watt SS amp is louder than a 15 watt valve amp, i know alot of people say valve amps sound like they are 3-4x higher wattage (well "SS watts"), but, im still not sold on that , i know my SVT is loud, but, ive still to compare it to a 1200 watt SS setup! One amp that i really like is the peavey classic 30, it has a very fendery sound to it. http://www.peavey.com/products/brows...E+30%2F112.cfm very nice wee amp, pretty loud, when running through a 412 its loud! I got mine for £200 secondhand with the stock peavey valves, when need-be, ill replace them with some JJ's (the current production Tesla's essentailly)