drum fills

andrewforce5 · 7th August 2003, 01:37 AM

what are all the cool kids doing? im not sure how this can be notated, but i'd like to know what everyone else is doing, i sometimes feel my drum fills arent that great. i can never seem to get a proper roll on my toms so its all a bit slow.

please fix this for me and my boy scout group mr saville

sincerely,

andrew gibson (9 3/4 years old)

Bobsy · 7th August 2003, 09:48 AM

work on your speed, and listen to bands like skirtbox, metallica, lagwagon, anthrax, cigar and death by stereo, get a double bass pedal. Thats what i did, then again im not so great. If you just practice and do combinations, workd your way around the kit
like hit the snare 4 times, then the rack tom 4 times then the floor tom 4 times then the snare again. Or hit the floor tom 8 times in stead of going back to the snare. Or hit the snare 8 times then the rack tom 8 times. Or just the snare as many times as it sounds good. Or do a fill just on the toms. Or if you play the 'gallop' beat (the one used in most nofx songs) using the floor tom as the cymbal and the rack tom as the snare. Or you could just do a simple roll on the snare but every 4th, 6th, 8th (or any other place it sounds good) hit the hi hat or something. Do rolls on the snare where every 1st hit (out of 4) is harder than the rest. These may not be very good so go to www.mxtabs.net and i think theres a bit called lessons or something( im not sure tho) and that'll have tonnes of shit for you, it'll tell you what sorta music it fits in with and whether its begginer, intermediate or expert. Altho looking through the expert part is a bit wierd cos there are some things that really are quite complicated and there'll be somet hings that should be in the begginers section. I hope thats helped

Bobsy · 7th August 2003, 09:51 AM

oh and another one, if you hit the bass drum, then a tom with one hand, then the other hand it sounds pretty cool. When you play it fast it kinda resembles a double bass pedal.

pedro · 7th August 2003, 05:30 PM

just work on your rudaments (i cant spell) i.e. just hit the snare or what ever and say in your head the timing like......
1 2 3 4 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and 1 e and a 2 e and a 3 e a and a 4 e and a then back to , for each letter or number hit the snare. prob seems like giberish but i know what im on about, lol. ill just shut up now,

Bobsy · 7th August 2003, 06:27 PM

Makes sense to me, work with wierd time signatures and the like to impress little girls, works wonders with them

The world according to Rye · 8th August 2003, 12:41 AM

OOOhhh Bob... by the look of that paragraph anyone would think your an amazing drummer....

And the hittin the toms to resemble double bass sound is called a "Flam" when you can play flams fast as fuck with bass in between it sounds mental!

The best thing to do is foget about all that learning shit, fuck lessons, dont go by the book, just listen to your favourite bands and copy em!

Bobsy · 8th August 2003, 08:56 AM

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Originally posted by The world according to Rye
[b]OOOhhh Bob... by the look of that paragraph anyone would think your an amazing drummer....B]

Bear in mind it was you who told me most of this, so get it up ye

MotioN · 8th August 2003, 10:20 AM

Listen and Air Drum to the song "Seasons In The Abyss" by Slayer every day then learn it, then keep playing it every day for about 5 months..........worked for me

SavageWalker · 8th August 2003, 02:28 PM

I love the drums at the start of "Refused are fucking dead" by Refused!!

Its quality

I believe i saw u play that at the shootin goon gig motion!

u played it pretty well like!

Chow mein!

ayearbehind · 8th August 2003, 10:39 PM

mix straight 16th notes with 16th note triplets. sounds really good!

MotioN · 9th August 2003, 09:30 AM

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Originally posted by SavageWalker
I love the drums at the start of "Refused are fucking dead" by Refused!!

Its quality

I believe i saw u play that at the shootin goon gig motion!

Yeah i always do it to try and spot out y'old Refused fans

Bobsy · 9th August 2003, 01:18 PM

Whats it like? i am intrigued

Richie Carlin · 11th August 2003, 11:01 PM

if you want to get better on the drums generally you have to practice all the time. do your rudiments. start off with a simple paradiddle exercise - basically this: R L RR L R LL - over and over again. for the first right hand you should be hitting the bass kick with your foot (obviously), for the first strike of the double RR, your left foot (on hi-hat footboard). for next left hand: RIGHT FOOT. for the first L of LL: LEFT FOOT. Obviously "R" stands for 'right hand', "L" for your left. Start at a slow pace, gradually speed it up. you will hit a limit you can go at eventually, work on getting it that bit faster. reverse it: L R LL R L RR. Basically the same thing, except starting on either your left or right hand can dramatically effect the way you finish up on a fill for example.

> hands R L RR L R LL
> feet R L R L

don't just go out and buy a double kick unless you think you really need it. it will set you back before it puts you forward dude. seriously. even when you are sitting around practice rolls on your lap, tap your feet. then apply whatever you have worked with onto the kit. do your paradiddles on your snare to begin with, then move around the kit. change the tempo throughout, accent certain strikes. you would be surprised of the results!

practise 8s, 16s and triplet based rolls around the kit. remember your two feet! knowing when NOT to play is a huge factor. simplify your drum tracks where possible with fills few and far between. work on a few different styles of fills and apply those techniques to different parts of the kit at different tempos or whatever for different songs. you would be surprised: a little goes a long way. it is a lifetime of learning, the drummer that thinks he is better than great is a fool. you can always be better.

Richie Carlin · 11th August 2003, 11:06 PM

yeah and the ol' FLAM. lovely.

andrewforce5 · 12th August 2003, 01:01 AM

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7th August 2003, 01:37 AM	#1 (permalink)
andrewforce5 Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Monifieth Posts: 4,414	drum fills what are all the cool kids doing? im not sure how this can be notated, but i'd like to know what everyone else is doing, i sometimes feel my drum fills arent that great. i can never seem to get a proper roll on my toms so its all a bit slow. please fix this for me and my boy scout group mr saville sincerely, andrew gibson (9 3/4 years old)

11th August 2003, 11:01 PM	#13 (permalink)
Richie Carlin Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Scotland Posts: 378	where do you start if you want to get better on the drums generally you have to practice all the time. do your rudiments. start off with a simple paradiddle exercise - basically this: R L RR L R LL - over and over again. for the first right hand you should be hitting the bass kick with your foot (obviously), for the first strike of the double RR, your left foot (on hi-hat footboard). for next left hand: RIGHT FOOT. for the first L of LL: LEFT FOOT. Obviously "R" stands for 'right hand', "L" for your left. Start at a slow pace, gradually speed it up. you will hit a limit you can go at eventually, work on getting it that bit faster. reverse it: L R LL R L RR. Basically the same thing, except starting on either your left or right hand can dramatically effect the way you finish up on a fill for example. > hands R L RR L R LL > feet R L R L don't just go out and buy a double kick unless you think you really need it. it will set you back before it puts you forward dude. seriously. even when you are sitting around practice rolls on your lap, tap your feet. then apply whatever you have worked with onto the kit. do your paradiddles on your snare to begin with, then move around the kit. change the tempo throughout, accent certain strikes. you would be surprised of the results! practise 8s, 16s and triplet based rolls around the kit. remember your two feet! knowing when NOT to play is a huge factor. simplify your drum tracks where possible with fills few and far between. work on a few different styles of fills and apply those techniques to different parts of the kit at different tempos or whatever for different songs. you would be surprised: a little goes a long way. it is a lifetime of learning, the drummer that thinks he is better than great is a fool. you can always be better.

7th August 2003, 09:48 AM	#2 (permalink)
Bobsy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Glasgow Posts: 3,333 Band: Concurrence, Priveleged Girls After School Club	work on your speed, and listen to bands like skirtbox, metallica, lagwagon, anthrax, cigar and death by stereo, get a double bass pedal. Thats what i did, then again im not so great. If you just practice and do combinations, workd your way around the kit like hit the snare 4 times, then the rack tom 4 times then the floor tom 4 times then the snare again. Or hit the floor tom 8 times in stead of going back to the snare. Or hit the snare 8 times then the rack tom 8 times. Or just the snare as many times as it sounds good. Or do a fill just on the toms. Or if you play the 'gallop' beat (the one used in most nofx songs) using the floor tom as the cymbal and the rack tom as the snare. Or you could just do a simple roll on the snare but every 4th, 6th, 8th (or any other place it sounds good) hit the hi hat or something. Do rolls on the snare where every 1st hit (out of 4) is harder than the rest. These may not be very good so go to www.mxtabs.net and i think theres a bit called lessons or something( im not sure tho) and that'll have tonnes of shit for you, it'll tell you what sorta music it fits in with and whether its begginer, intermediate or expert. Altho looking through the expert part is a bit wierd cos there are some things that really are quite complicated and there'll be somet hings that should be in the begginers section. I hope thats helped

7th August 2003, 09:51 AM	#3 (permalink)
Bobsy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Glasgow Posts: 3,333 Band: Concurrence, Priveleged Girls After School Club	oh and another one, if you hit the bass drum, then a tom with one hand, then the other hand it sounds pretty cool. When you play it fast it kinda resembles a double bass pedal.

7th August 2003, 05:30 PM	#4 (permalink)
pedro Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Bonnie Dundee Posts: 430	just work on your rudaments (i cant spell) i.e. just hit the snare or what ever and say in your head the timing like...... 1 2 3 4 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and 1 e and a 2 e and a 3 e a and a 4 e and a then back to , for each letter or number hit the snare. prob seems like giberish but i know what im on about, lol. ill just shut up now,

7th August 2003, 06:27 PM	#5 (permalink)
Bobsy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Glasgow Posts: 3,333 Band: Concurrence, Priveleged Girls After School Club	Makes sense to me, work with wierd time signatures and the like to impress little girls, works wonders with them

8th August 2003, 12:41 AM	#6 (permalink)
The world according to Rye Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Dundee Posts: 2,385	OOOhhh Bob... by the look of that paragraph anyone would think your an amazing drummer.... And the hittin the toms to resemble double bass sound is called a "Flam" when you can play flams fast as fuck with bass in between it sounds mental! The best thing to do is foget about all that learning shit, fuck lessons, dont go by the book, just listen to your favourite bands and copy em!

8th August 2003, 10:20 AM	#8 (permalink)
MotioN Listen to Void! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Perth/Abernethy Posts: 7,472 Band: Allergo, Violent Response, Nekrocircus, RatpukE, Octopope	Listen and Air Drum to the song "Seasons In The Abyss" by Slayer every day then learn it, then keep playing it every day for about 5 months..........worked for me

8th August 2003, 02:28 PM	#9 (permalink)
SavageWalker Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Dundee Posts: 1,606 Band: www.sicktrick.co.uk	I love the drums at the start of "Refused are fucking dead" by Refused!! Its quality I believe i saw u play that at the shootin goon gig motion! u played it pretty well like! Chow mein!

8th August 2003, 10:39 PM	#10 (permalink)
ayearbehind Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dundee Posts: 681	mix straight 16th notes with 16th note triplets. sounds really good!

9th August 2003, 01:18 PM	#12 (permalink)
Bobsy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Glasgow Posts: 3,333 Band: Concurrence, Priveleged Girls After School Club	Whats it like? i am intrigued

11th August 2003, 11:06 PM	#14 (permalink)
Richie Carlin Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Scotland Posts: 378	yeah and the ol' FLAM. lovely.