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Thee Moths, Lipsick, GRNR and Germlin at the Beat Bar, 8th August 2004
Published by Misanthropy
8th August 2004
Thee Moths, Lipsick, GRNR and Germlin at the Beat Bar, 8th August 2004

The original thread I put this in got deleted

Thee Moths, Lipsick, GRNR and Germlin at the Beat Bar, 8th August 2004

Thee Alex played tonight to a crowd of five plus bands, in a circle of fairy lights, with a laptop as his only instrument. The setup would have been quaint, but for the pervading sense of karaoke. I've seen laptops used incredibly well in a live setting, but in this case there was a horrible mp3-sans-vocal feel to the set. Alex writes some decent songs but they should be kept strictly lo-fi. Also, his on-stage persona did him no favours. Some people can pull off the "I can't be arsed with this" rock n roll attitude, but Thee Alex most certainly can not. Especially when he books the gigs he is playing at.

Alex was on stage again next as one half of the keyboardpop duo Lipsick. His bandmate Kirstin is a supremely talented young woman, lurking just behind the mistimed noise of their live performances is always a hint of real songwriting prowess. But first, the noise. I know it's not really the done thing in the scottish music scene, but a little professionalism goes a long way. Far be it from me to dictate how a band should act, but might I suggest learning the songs before playing them live? Perhaps writing a set list? Maybe sound checking? But these are merely asides to the real problem with this band. I'm sorry to have to single out someone twice in one review, but I personally feel that Alex lets down Kirstin in a big way (tonight even more so than usual). This is a man in serious need of a sense of decorum. Kirstin is the main songwriting talent in this band, but to see them live would suggest otherwise. Alex spent the entire set with his microphone an order of magnitude louder than Kirstin's (his supposedly backing vocals veering dangerously towards line-on-line-off frequency), and bouncing around stage like an adult making an insulting impression of a hyperactive 12 year old. Scarily, that was more statement than simile. He also did all the between-song bantering, which along with some of the mistakes was probably down to Kirstin's nervousness, but he was a little too keen in my opinion. Like I said earlier, there is genuine talent in this band. Songs such as "Swimming" and "Look, Panic, End!" display a little of the massive potential inherent in this duo. The almost perfect pop sensibilities fuse with some of the best lyrics I have heard from a local band to create what could be wonderful, timeless songs. However, I feel that Kirstin needs to take more of a lead, and Alex desperately needs to learn to take a back seat once in a while.

By this point in the night, the crowd had dwindled to two people plus half the bands. The heat from all the bodies was beginning to stifle me, so please forgive any inaccuracies from this point on. I was dehydrated and mirages had begun to appear...

I hadn't seen the next two bands before and neither introduced themselves (presumably because I was the only person there who didn't know them personally), so I will have to presume they played in the order advertised. Which means GRNR was up next. Like Thee Alex earlier, he performed with only a laptop, although his set was mostly instrumental, and seemed to take the "instrument" part a little more seriously than Alex. Musically, this was a refreshing change from the normal Dundee live music scene - airy, danceable electronica in the vein of "Idioteque" by Radiohead (Apologies to GRNR if you feel this description doesn't do you justice). This was a thoroughly enjoyable performance up until his laptop crashed, when it all seemed to unravel and I got the impression he couldn't be bothered to finish the set properly. All in all I was very impressed, if anyone has contact info or knows where I can get a cd, please let me know.

After GRNR finished, I presumed the show was over and went to the bar upstairs. Imagine my surprise when I came down twenty minutes later and saw this scene - four people dancing around a laptop, one person sitting in a corner, and one very pissed off barman. Was this Germlin's set, or were you abusing the hospitality of the Beat Bar?

At the end of the night Alex remarked to me that this was "another great gig that lots of people missed out on". On reflection I do agree, but it wasn't exactly scene apathy that kept the people away tonight! Here's a hint - try advertising. With his vast experience in the music industry, you'd think Alex would have figured it out by now.
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By Mike - Indi Rev on 8th August 2004, 03:35 PM
Yeah I noticed it wasn't there when I had a look today. As I said before, well written review. I only saw some of GRNR but what I saw seemed quite good, even if his mac did crash.
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By Thee Alex on 8th August 2004, 05:40 PM
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Wee, that is entirely unfair.

1) The show WAS advertised. Posters had gone up around the town during the week and numerous mailing lists and messageboards had been informed.

2) "Alex writes some decent songs but they should be kept strictly lo-fi. Also, his on-stage persona did him no favours. Some people can pull off the "I can't be arsed with this" rock n roll attitude, but Thee Alex most certainly can not. Especially when he books the gigs he is playing at." - I was NOT attempting any 'rock n roll attitude', I was playing a show using my laptop which is something I haven't done before...I was also in a situation where I knew everyone in the room and was just kind of chatting to them. To say I wasn't arsed is deeply insulting.

3) "but in this case there was a horrible mp3-sans-vocal feel to the set" - there were NO mp3's used at all. The whole thing was being mixed live in Protools as I went along. As I said, this was the first time I had EVER done a show with a laptop - cut a guy some slack eh?

4) "But first, the noise. I know it's not really the done thing in the scottish music scene, but a little professionalism goes a long way. Far be it from me to dictate how a band should act, but might I suggest learning the songs before playing them live? Perhaps writing a set list? Maybe sound checking?" - OK, you seem to be COMPLETELY missing the point of Lipsick!, that is to HAVE FUN! We DID soundcheck but to be honest we find soundchecking so utterly tedious that we try to keep as short as possible. As for rehearsing, we know the songs well enough to be able to enjoy playing them. Set lists are for cunts. Perhaps you would like us to have some fireworks and dancers next time??

5) "This is a man in serious need of a sense of decorum. Kirstin is the main songwriting talent in this band, but to see them live would suggest otherwise. Alex spent the entire set with his microphone an order of magnitude louder than Kirstin's (his supposedly backing vocals veering dangerously towards line-on-line-off frequency), and bouncing around stage like an adult making an insulting impression of a hyperactive 12 year old. " - Oh Fuck off you self righteous little tosser! Microphone - I had NO idea my vocals were loud, it wasn't intentional. Bouncing around - I was ENJOYING the show, I get the feeling you would rather I stood there like an overly reverential, po-faced statue. If Kirstin wants to move she can, you saying I shouldn't won't stop me.

6) "I feel that Kirstin needs to take more of a lead, and Alex desperately needs to learn to take a back seat once in a while." - and I feel you need to shut the fuck up. The band is BOTH OF US. Get that into your thick skull.

7) "Was this Germlin's set, or were you abusing the hospitality of the Beat Bar?" - it was Germlins set, as you would have known if you hadn't fucked off upstairs. As for abusing the 'hospitality' of the Beat Bar?? They acted as if we were doing them a MASSIVE disservice being there. I can't be held responsible if most of the people who would have been at the gig happened to be across town at the Revoltfest. The people who did go bought drinks, behaved well (no broken toilets) and had a good time....if that is abusing the hospitality of the Beat Bar then I would suggest they need to get a grip.

Alex, that 'review' was nothing more than third rate hack-ery and I can't believe you wasted all that time typing it out.
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By xdavidx on 8th August 2004, 05:52 PM
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most of the people who would have been at the gig happened to be across town at the Revoltfest
they weren't actually, revoltfest was dead, save for a handful of dundonians, bands, and a busload of folk from glasgow.

I blame the freemasons.
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By Thee Alex on 8th August 2004, 05:56 PM
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In that case I can only blame the apathy of the people of Dundee. I am going to be glad to leave the city in the next few months.
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By Misanthropy on 8th August 2004, 05:58 PM
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cut a guy some slack eh?
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Ross Nicoll - after the music aberations of the previous two acts Ross and his ultra safe, sub-Robbie Williams MOR could only sound good. Perhaps that was the plan, to have two support bands so utterly without merit that the headliners would sound so cutting edge in comparison that we would be grateful for the change.

I wrote an honest review, and as such I feel it is fair and balanced. Sorry, but to dub my opinions "third rate hack-ery" only gives the impression that you can't handle criticism
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By Thee Alex on 8th August 2004, 06:04 PM
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Uh, can I ask you something? How come you have a copy of an unpublished review that was only sent to one person?? Or did Ross send it one despite being asked not to?

Your review is bollocks. You seem to be TELLING me how to behave. Well, fuck you. I will do whatever the fuck I want and you should just get used to it.
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By Misanthropy on 8th August 2004, 06:07 PM
29/07/04 - Ross Nicoll, Painted Little Men and more...



I'm not telling you how to behave. I am telling you my thoughts on the gig last night. I really hate using the phrase "grow up" but... come on...
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By xdavidx on 8th August 2004, 06:12 PM
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Well, fuck you. I will do whatever the fuck I want and you should just get used to it.
thirty-what?
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By Thee Alex on 8th August 2004, 06:13 PM
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Oops! Forgot about that. Though to be fair I didn't try to pass that off as a review now did I?

Alex. I feel very offended by your 'review' and I am not going to pretend otherwise.

And don't try the 'grow up' thing with me, I couldn't give a flying fuck.
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By : : Scott : : on 8th August 2004, 06:17 PM
Ah, it was fun while we were there. Mind you, I got the (vast) majority of said banter. We left after the third act, we thought that it was it over. The third guys music was good, but it's more of something I'd listen to at home rather than live. But that's just me.
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By Misanthropy on 8th August 2004, 06:18 PM
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Though to be fair I didn't try to pass that off as a review now did I?
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How come you have a copy of an unpublished review that was only sent to one person??

can we stop this now? putting 'review' in single quotes isn't going to stop the fact that I gave you a bad review. suck it up dude, it's just a review. think about the points I've raised, then move on
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By xdavidx on 8th August 2004, 06:20 PM
it's understandable, it was an offensive review, however I've read reviews you've written that were just as, if not more offensive Alex. you have to take the rough with the smooth.
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By Filthy Ritch on 8th August 2004, 06:23 PM
just stating my opinion here...

its true,alex doesnt give a fuck about how they look on stage,every show has been like that and they have been enjoyable.kirstin does as much in the band as she likes to do as far as im aware.
as for the thee moths set fair enough alex was trying something new,but having not seen the set i can't comment as to how bad/good it was.maybe by the sounds of it alex should have rehearsed or practiced more with the new hardware/software and how it would preform live just to give himself a better chance on stage.

but then again,it wasnt the royal albert hall,it was the beat bar.so who really gives a fuck?
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By Thee Alex on 8th August 2004, 06:26 PM
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Alex, there is a HUGE difference between a review and your ramblings. The quotes are me being kind.

As for thinking about the 'points...raised' I have, and I have decided they are bollocks from a two faced little shitewad.
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