The Queens Jubilee

[Andy Anarchy aka Haggis]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> why not try a Communist government, we'll all go out to the farms and grow what we need and give the rest to the state, how many people would be willing to do that?
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This would only be true if the particular government were a bunch of weakminded conformists who get their political idiologies from books, like most modern parties.

[Red_Baron]

I think we should make Bob Geldof the PM, we'd need to buy him a suit though.

[AlanG]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Bannana Man:
<strong>I agree with you, we should have a refarendum on wether to keep the monarchy. Problem is no Government will ever do it out of fear of losing the public vote. There is quite a strong support in the UK for the Queen.
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well some left wing parties have promised to do it, so if they got in it would happen, massive IF though. And the last poll I saw for the queen had massive anti royalty from Scots, 90% I think it was.

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About Philip, he is not the Head of State, he is the Prince Consort. He is also not who I would describe as an avid racist more a tactless misguided old man who's lost the plot.
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horses for courses, i think hes a Greek racist intolerant cunt who should be shot, you think hes just misguided

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As for renting out the Royal households, this could not be done as they are Grade 1 listed buildings which prevents any Landlord for making the nesscesary changes to the property, even if it were the government. These changes would have to meade however to comply with tennancy law. There would need to be bathrooms, kitchens, fire escapes, disability access on every floor, these laws are there to protect students and I wouldn't recommend taking them away.
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by rent I meant as one building to some rich geezer to make dough, and as theer are people living in them, they cant be that unsafe

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London is a city not a country, the estimated number to have traveled here for the jubilee celebrations is around 3 million.
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I know its a city, but the estimates I saw were 1million, still even at 3mil thats only 5% of the people who gave a shit enough to go, 95% never.

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As for spending 50 million+ on something which benifits the country why not?
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as i said why not spend 50mil a year making you head of state, or me or any other tom dick or harry? One reason not to is its 50million a year we can spend on better things

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Smoking costs us 0.5 billion+ drinking costs us 100 million+ are we suggesting we ban those as well?
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personally I would, either that or legalise drugs too and several other banned things. these are narcotics who both damage the user, in the case of tobacco those around the user and in alcohol those who are close to the lsoer (family etc). but thats a completely different issue, people are able to choose whether to smoke or not, drink or not, they cant with the royalty.

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oh and 50M wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to 4 main problems in the country split it between them and we have just over 10 million.
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yeah it would, it would mean 50million quid more spent.

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Wouldn't last a week in the NHS and the plite of the homeless is societie's problem blaming one person is an excuse to overlook a hidden guilt that we all have.
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no it wasnt, it was an example of better ways we can spend that money. dont divert the issue

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Not so long ago men a women died for the King and Queen,
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yeah completely willingly

1. we want to increase the empire to make those in power rich, go to x foreign country and fight the nasty natives a la india and the african colonies
2. what you mean you wont sign up for it, traitor london tower with you.

Unless of course you mean in WW2 when people were joining up to fight back Naziism and stop our country becoming a totalitarian regime ruled by fascists?

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now people can't be arsed beleiving in anything they just see themselves,
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how do you come to this completely illogical conclusion? Come on I know you must be able to think logically youve just got an honourss degree in computing ffs.

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what they have and what they haven't got but they won't admit it, no they're a libiralist 'free the country they say', what they're realy saying is give me more of this more of that.
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so you think that its right to spend 50million years to give 1 family a luxurious living for just being them and to not spend this money on hospitals, police, schools, pensions or other worthy causes that would give a positive benefit to peoples lives?

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Christ 19 people die today on a bus and all you 2 care about is chopping some cash off you tax bill.
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actually no, I read about the 19 people dying and have been following events in the palestine region for several years now. But thats a different issue.

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or better give it to the homeless, you think its that easy? That problem has many causes, drug addiction, child abuse, neglect who's fault is that?
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drug addiction - whatever put them in the circumstances they thought drugs were a crutch for
child abuse - the evil bastard who did it
neglegt - whoever neglected them.

So you disagree that 50million a year could be spent on building homeless shelters to ensure that in the 21st century in one of the most advanced civilisations the world has ever seen, less people live in squallor?

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we gonna blame the Queen for that too?
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Ive never seen her buy a big issue
&lt;joke!!!&gt;

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How you think an inpoverished child in a 3rd world country feels,
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well if he lives in an ex colony where the British Empire under the rule of our monarchs enslaved their populace, raped their land for resources while treating the population as sub humans until they stopped making profits from the region/lost it in war/were forced to give up due to political uprising in the area. Well i think theyd agree

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hell they'd look at us and think how fucking lucky are they! look at the big picture, the Royals live in a lavish lifestyle, but we live under their umbrella of stability
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so if it wasnt for the royals id be living in a bin is what youre saying?

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and we in turn live a very fortunate position when compared to that of many people elsewhere
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so because youre alright fuck thats what matters?

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are we gonna blame ourselves for that? give up our homes? give away our computers? No that would be impractical, instead we should maybe all work together a little, all classes, races, religions to help each other as opposed to blaming each other for their own problems
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so you then agree that the rich countries should stop wasting money on frivolous things like letting people live lavish lives whilst people starve to death, so we agree then.

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Rant well and truly fucking over need to write some humour soon or my banana will wilt.</strong>
or alternatively you could reply in a style unlike

some dreamy idealist bullshit
tiny mention of royalty
mentioning were so well off and lucky to have royals
some more dreamy idealist bullshit

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[Red_Baron]

My point was that anyone in this country who complains, while having a right to free speech, is just complaining for complainings sake. We are not in a disadvantaged position. I am happy to say I do my bit for those less fortunate than myself by donating money every month from my wage to help charaties. I will also be happy to support one of the last peices of heritage we have. They run certain charaties, provide thousands of jobs around the country, they are trying to generate understanding about other cultures, they help promote the UK abroad which increases trade to this country. We take too much for granted over here. Yes there is a lot of money that could be better spent in this world but if we didn't have the Royals who would be spending our 50m? would cost more than that for the state to support those who lost their jobs because we don't pay for eveything the Queen enjoys, her father and mother gave up a lot of their privilages.

I think you'll find that many of the troubles started in amny of these African nations after Britain left, we treate dthem like shit but after that there was a power vacum and some idiots took over. The same happened here after the Romans left, that's if you want to bring up history.

As for building houses fine but what then? who's gonna pay for the upkeep the security, the management? No government's gonna care. We have a hige problem in this country but everyone tries to tackle it in the wrong way, we build more houses there are till gonna be homeless, and who gets the house? tackle the simptom, it's cheaper and more effective, better protection for childern, more information for parents about depression, better education on the effects of drugs, esspecially canibis which can be more dangerous than some harder drugs.

There is too much waste in the western world, but I'm not gonna turn my back on the Queen, I've been brought up to be loyal and that's what I'll do, and your right many peple didn't go to war for this reason but many did. The Royal family sets us apart from most of trhe world and they would never let a right wing party in and 50 million isn't that much about a pound each. Couldn't even buy a fag for that but people smoke, and it kills them they may choose to but I don't choose to have my cash spent on saving their lungs 30 years later. Perhaps if everyone gave some money every month, by giving up smoking say, we could help people unfortunatly that's too much of a sacrifice, give up a few nicities to save someone's life? nah it 1000 miles away out of sight put of mind. I'm sure you give generously but how many other people do? and they have the cheek to say their money isn't being spent properly when they waste it themselves.

[AlanG]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Bannana Man:
<strong>My point was that anyone in this country who complains, while having a right to free speech, is just complaining for complainings sake.
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no its called using your right to free speech.

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We are not in a disadvantaged position.
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tell that to the 30% of scottish children who live below the poverty line

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I will also be happy to support one of the last peices of heritage we have.
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excellent, so when we get a box on our wage slip saying "tick here if you wish to donate money to the royals" you can tick that box while I dont.

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They run certain charaties,
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do they fuck. They are the "presidents" of some charaties which is COMPLETELY different to running a charity

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provide thousands of jobs around the country,
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which we also pay for.

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they are trying to generate understanding about other cultures,
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in the way that they???

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they help promote the UK abroad which increases trade to this country. We take too much for granted over here. Yes there is a lot of money that could be better spent in this world but if we didn't have the Royals who would be spending our 50m?
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the people we voted in to have the power to decide what to spend our money on

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would cost more than that for the state to support those who lost their jobs because we don't pay for eveything the Queen enjoys, her father and mother gave up a lot of their privilages.
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yeah I suppose its not a privelage to have a solid gold coach, cos we all know how handy they are.

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I think you'll find that many of the troubles started in amny of these African nations after Britain left, we treate dthem like shit but after that there was a power vacum and some idiots took over. The same happened here after the Romans left, that's if you want to bring up history.
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the point being?? So it wouldnt ahve beena good idea, instead of just leaving to say, set up democratic governments first, by gradually giving the local populace powers in the running of their country instead of just running and letting generals have bloody coups to sieze power. Oh and when you say "here" after the Romans left, they didnt get much further north than perth.

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As for building houses fine but what then? who's gonna pay for the upkeep the security, the management?
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the saved 50million quid a year.....

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tackle the simptom, it's cheaper and more effective, better protection for childern, more information for parents about depression, better education on the effects of drugs, esspecially canibis which can be more dangerous than some harder drugs.
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which is exactly what i was saying, although thats a completely different topic. And can you provide evidence or links to prove cannabis is more dangerous than harder drugs, preferably in another thread, that non link should be interesting.

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There is too much waste in the western world, but I'm not gonna turn my back on the Queen, I've been brought up to be loyal and that's what I'll do,
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you have a mind of your own? If youd been brought up to think black people were sub humans is that justification for still thinking that?

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and your right many peple didn't go to war for this reason but many did. The Royal family sets us apart from most of trhe world and they would never let a right wing party in
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tories = centre right
new labour = centre right

DING DING

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and 50 million isn't that much about a pound each.
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I dont care if its 1p each, its 50million that could be spent on better more productive things.

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Couldn't even buy a fag for that but people smoke, and it kills them they may choose to but I don't choose to have my cash spent on saving their lungs 30 years later. Perhaps if everyone gave some money every month, by giving up smoking say, we could help people unfortunatly that's too much of a sacrifice, give up a few nicities to save someone's life? nah it 1000 miles away out of sight put of mind.
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what teh fuck are you talking about. Heres an idea
post
read response
respond

not post
ignore response
post something completely new
ad nausiem
thats how many posts and you ahve not provided any single reason to support these leeches.

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I'm sure you give generously but how many other people do? and they have the cheek to say their money isn't being spent properly when they waste it themselves.</strong>
money we earn after tax = money we can spend on whatever the hell we want
money we get taxed = to be spent on our behalf so we should be able to choose what on
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[Red_Baron]

Ok, you want me to mention a previous post. Well you're talking to a previous member of the 30% who have lived in poverty. Not fucking nice geting 1 pair of shoes a year and freezing in the winter oh no. But I didn't blame the Queen I blame the people that got elected, they take most of our taxes, the Royals don't get so much of it anymore. Luckily my family got out of poverty through a bit of hard work and a little support from a Prince of Wales charity which paid for my Dad to go to Uni.

As for canabis, why do so many users claim they know it all. You want proof? Unfortunatly I know of a few people who've been admitted to a mental hospital because of it, are on horrid drug treatments (which are paid for by the NHS). Oh and lest not forget canabis is a realxant which will lower the heart rate and can cause it to stop altogether, it also thins blood which could result in a simple fall being fatal. The reason its dangerous is because people beleive its safe. Not that people shouldn't use it if they want to but they should realise other people might be picking up the peices later.

I won't give links but names of books if you want to check.

Human Physiology (Sherwood)
General and systematic Pathology (Underwood)
BNF 40

But before I'm in danger of breaking the solid rules of the infamous forum, I'll mention the orininal argument.

First off the coach was paid for by King George in the 17 or 18th centuary didn't cost us a penny.

Second all these people who's jobs are working for the Queen, well they pay takes too so we get a lot of it back

Thirdly if the government was solely in controlm you really belive they'd spend it on what you want? have they done it so far with the billions that they have? you notice any NHS improvements? if they don't see homelessnes as a priority now why would they bother with it when they have an extra bit of cash.

I agree with you on the inheritance tax, we should not pay it on any money we receive from relatives. But it was a governmental choice to firstly impose this tax and secondaly to let the Queen off. Now did we not elect the governements to do what we say? so proving my point that governments can not be trusted.

Another reason is that no action by the Queen has had an adverse reaction on people's lives in this country. We don't vote her in but she doesn't make any serious descisions. A reason some may say to get rid of her. But think how it affected those Aids patients when princess Di came to visit. yeah she only shook their hand, but that changed peoples thoughts on the issue. An MP wouldn't risk it for fear of a backlash of public opinion. What I'm saying is while the royals live in luxuary, which is more than 80% of the population have, they are can also do things without fear of being voted out the next year, their actions are impartial to the public. This could backfire, but when was the last time you saw Charles blazing down the high street lopping people's heads off.

They royals may have to take a different role in society, remember the Queen came from a generation that oppossed rock 'n' roll, so maybe we should wait to see how the next King adapts eh before calling on their resignation. What's more important making the government listen to our needs and make sure they improve this county as they promised? or should we spend our time discussing whether to get rid of the Queen? she doesn't affect our lives in an adverse way (which I'm sur ewill be contested) and she sure as hell spends what little cash we give her better than any government ever would. We should blame the people we elect for th troubles of this country at the present the Royals have been around since before any of us were born and they don't promise to do anything. The government on the other hand do, they're in charge here and now asking for my cash every month I trust them to spend it and they don't. I want them to help disadvantaged people all over the world but they won't, they're too greedy and still keep asking for repayments on money we leant to countries, and now they're gonna refuse aid to countries who have an imigration problem. Hmmmm why are people leaving a country to come here, maybe because it's poor where they live and needs help. The Queen didn't decide that Mr Blair did and we could give him all the money we want, even the money the Queen uses, and he still wouldn't do what we want. The same would happen with homelessnes. the phrase "could be used" is very idealistic but "could be" and "will be" are miles apart in MR Blair and Mr Browns eyes

[njw]

I am glad that Bannana man speaks sense, unlike most people I have heard from lately. Congratulations...

[Red_Baron]

Wait till I get a few drinks inside me, then I won't stop talking shite. Infact i do it sober too. I specialise in pish, exel in drivel and am an expert at talking for 3 hours non-stop about a paper clip. Luckily God has seen a fit punishment to be that I be placed in a band where I can find an output for my pish through a guitar and vocal appliance.

And yes I am pissed............hic.

Fortunatly I don't get too serious very often only when I gets a bee in my bonnet or a cork up my ass, can't wank all that agression away you know. I FUKCING HATE CABBAGE!!!!

[Red_Baron]

I just noticed, my rating's gone down. I'm turning into "Home and Away". Maybe if they fall far enough my only refuge will be a 2 hour slot on channel 5 on a Sunday. I'm an ITV whore keep me there, I'll put sex and violence into myslef to boost ratings..........if I fall as far as 3 stars I'll then class myself as an Eldorado and quit while I'm ahead, then who'll save the world?