Iraq, Saddam, Arafat, Afghanistan

[kj]

Ok, i'm gonna take you all away from a music based hot topic here, since this has been in the news alot recently. Do you think the US and the UK are right to interfere in these conflicts? do they have the right to force government change in countries which they see as a threat to themselves, and are they justified in doing so? I want you opinions on this one.

And do you think it would be a wise/good decision to invade Iraq?

[hamtubulosis]

Bush is a pompus fucker who is power greedy and doesnt seem to have any reason behind his rambelings. If you were to ask him why he wants to change the regeem (however the hell u spell that!) he would tell you... "um, because its the right thing to do". Such countries do not need bombed, they need helped... and proposing a strike down on Irac would mean to engulf so many civilians as Saddam has enrolled a lot of the public into a make-shift army that will be expected to fight and die for him if America and her allies attack. It would do the coutry more harm than good. The proposal Saddam has put forward for allowing the U.N in for weapons inspections is something that should be accepted and further developed to resolve other problems within the country rather than bombing the shit out of them like the Americans seem to want to do! (.. which in turn would draft the rest of us into a war because theyre too goddam trigger happy!!) I mean, what ever happened to Bin Laden?? They couldnt find him so they just gave up and tried to find them another problematic country to occupy themselves with! After the gulf war in 1991 when the US troops moved out of the Gulf, the civilians took back more than a third of their land previously occupied by Saddam and his armies.... isnt this proof enough that all the country needs is a chance thinking and a chance out of Saddams grip to initiate change rather than an outsider intefeering in their matters?? i think so!

[cunny]

I think the whole situation is one gigantic fuckup. sadam may have nukes and bio weapons, why? because the americans and most of NATO practically gave them the fuckin technology. why? because there is no money in war without fear.

Same old shit, either its some major power trying to manouver into a cooshty position or some local feud starts up. Either way the allies stick their noses in, BOOOOOM the whole places starts gettin nasty.

Granted the allies do try and stop the attrocities, but quite frankly if these stupid bastards want to mutilate their own, FUCK EM! what goes around comes around. it shouldnt be up to the allies to jail them.

As for what to do with them: we have 2 choices, rid the world of worthless scum in one foul swoop. or let them sort it out themselves.

I personally, despite what i have just said, would prefer option 1. Blow every extremist off the planet. we have no room left at the inn for tosspots and retarded oppressors.

[Package]

I think the US and the UK need to invade and take over Iraw for a while. Its obvious that if they let Saddam live for a few more years, they are gonna end up with a bigger problem, no doubt the Iraqis are building up weapons of mass destruction. If they leave it any longer, they are gonna end up with a hell of a problem on their hands. Support from the Saudi people is already falling with them refusing to allow the US to use airbases in their country, but allowing the use of their airspace. It may cause more instability in the region, but in the long run, it'll be better for the area. It is a concern to the west and needs to be addressed, diplomatic means would be preferable, but since that has failed, there is no other option than to take Saddam and his regime out.

[kj]

we'll see. i doubt they will attempt an invasion until sometime next year. Both Iraq and the US are vying for the support of other middle east and arab countries, particularly that of Saudi Arabia. I frankly would like to see Saddam toppled by diplomatic means, but i dont think that is going to happen, certainly not just now. It seems his people are behind him all the way, a different stance to what they took at the end of the Gulf War. America will most certainly be in for a long haul if they do attack though. The Iraqi's seem to be very confident of victory this time around.

[kj]

52% of Americans are against any military action against Iraq. Looks like support is beginning to fall even quicker for Pres. Bush.

[Lord Kur]

There's something we're not being told. I don't know what it is, but its there. Think about it. Iraq has been fairly quiet in the world recently, then suddenly Bush wants to invade for no obvious reason. He hasn't given any reasons beyond the future "potential threat of weapons of mass destruction" any the general "its the right thing to do" argument. If either of these were the real reason, shouldn't he have done something about it before now.

I think that it's one of three things:

1- America has found out for sure that Iraq has nukes or somesuch, and want to move to protect (take possession of) the oil producing countries surrounding Iraq.

2- Bush (I think of him as MiniMe, and his father as Dr. Evil) has known that they have had weapons of mass destruction (WMDs) for some time and has just found out that they now have ICBMs (without these America is out of range but Britain is not) and now wants to move cuz NOW its HIS country in danger.

3- MiniMe's advisors have told him since he lost Bin Lid, he may be viewed as a failure and not re-elected if he doesn't kill SOMEONE, especially in light of his father's reign in blood.

or it could be something else. I don't know.

[Misled Pete]

I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head! Mabey it would be for the best if Saddam was taken out of the equation, because he has without a doubt got more than one screw loose. But if it wasn't for America sticking there nose where it doesn't belong and trying to get there finger in every pie how much danger would we be in? They've had it coming for a long time now and if there going to kill Saddam and Bin Laden then it probably fitting that Bush should be killed too, as he is probably as big a threat to you and i's well being as the aforemetioned phsycopaths.

I am turning more and more anti America every time i see another report on the war on terrorism and i think Britain are so fucking stupid to try and stand tall with America, it been proven before the taller you stand the easier you are to hit and thats all were doing giving America such strong support. If America stopped thinking the rest of the world couldn't function without it's interfearance we'd be a lot better off.

Sorry i can't spell.

[Misled Pete]

I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head! Mabey it would be for the best if Saddam was taken out of the equation, because he has without a doubt got more than one screw loose. But if it wasn't for America sticking there nose where it doesn't belong and trying to get there finger in every pie how much danger would we be in? They've had it coming for a long time now and if there going to kill Saddam and Bin Laden then it probably fitting that Bush should be killed too, as he is probably as big a threat to you and i's well being as the aforemetioned phsycopaths.

I am turning more and more anti America every time i see another report on the war on terrorism and i think Britain are so fucking stupid to try and stand tall with America, it been proven before the taller you stand the easier you are to hit and thats all were doing giving America such strong support. If America stopped thinking the rest of the world couldn't function without it's interfearance we'd be a lot better off.

Sorry i can't spell.

[cunny]

Problem is that America have to stick their fingers in every pie, cos if they dont then they will losse their position of dominance. Its already happening. its just like britain in the olden days, we were the biggest power in the world for decades, then things changed.

China and India are changing, they are catching up way faster than america can cope with and they are also forcing out american and european money. They might have the IMF on their side at the moment but that strangle-hold will weaken. Soon they will be standing on their own 2 feet along with lots of the other asian countries. how can americans compete with such a vast opposition? THEY CANT!!!although they think they can use their current lead along with some bully boy tactics to force the world to remain in their grip. in the long run it cant work, and its only gonna cause big problems in the mean time.

America cant control the world forever, its about time they realised that and stopped letting spin and egos get in the way of their own democracy and responsibility to the planet.

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[Lord Kur]

Yeah, you got that one right, they spent so much time telling themselves that they were the greatest nation on earth that they didn't realise that not only was that debatable, but its slipping futher and further away and other countries are becoming more powerful. The sad thing is that when they are seen as a joke by the rest of the world, they are (and will continue to be) acting like they are invincible and that they are the ones who are qualified to deal with anything they see as their business.

The people of the USA (I always thought that their use of the word "American" was a bit arrogant considdering everone in North and South America is an American) are one of several groups of people that I have the same message for. so...

To the people of the USA:

WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!

ps I do not hate Americans, we all have our flaws, but this one seems particularly dangerous.

[Rainbow_brite]

i think bush is a wank.

[Red_Baron]

True, but so is Mr Madman Sadam. Bush may be an ignorant, arrogant fullhardy selfish little shit but at least he doesn't want to kill every god given soul on earth until only him and his pet hamster Brian are left, which I beleive is what El Distructo over in Iraq feels is his duty to the world.

At least with Bush we're all still alive to call him an idiot and even though he decides America doesn't have to follow the rest of the world in saving the planet from pollution we're still here to save it ourselves. I'd rather be alive and able to complain and protest about him being an ill advised power weilding hoodoo than nuked and gassed to high hell 'cause some lunatic with a moustache wants to play with his new toys.

Basically I'll take the lesser of the 2 evils any day, Saddam needs a rocket rammed so far up his ass that if he farted he's take off.

[Grossi Agent]

But surely Saddam should have been dealt with BACK in the Gulf war. Where was America's backing there eh?

It's only because of 11th Sep that the American's have realised that "terrorism is a threat".

And Blair is saying, "yes, Saddam is constructing Nuclear Weapons, he has to be dealt with asap" duh!!

It just pisses me off Blair is jumpin on the whole September 11th bandwagon.

PLUS, look at all the innocent Afghans that have been wiped out (the wedding for example). The group of Canadian troops that were killed also!!

We're all going to end up dying from America and Blair's arrogance.

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[Fat Pete]

what doesn't make sense to me, is