Capital Punnishment

kj · 22nd August 2002, 10:53 AM

yes or no, and why?

sorry, i cant think of anything else this week, partly cos i'm just too damn tired and lazy. if someone has any better suggestions then post em also and let the convo develop

As for my opinions on the subject, i think it should be outlawed all over the world. I'm not going into my reasons just yet cos.....i'm just too damn tired and lazy.

Red_Baron · 22nd August 2002, 11:44 AM

Unfortunatly, much as I'd like to see many people in this country put to sleep, capital punishment doesn't deter criminals (take the US as an example). My solution is much better, Life in prison where every week, each prisoner must give blood. They must also all be compulsory organ donors. So for example if someone needs a kidney and someone in prison matches, it gets whipped out. This would only be for the worst offenders and it is what i see as repaying a debt to society. The really good part is when heart or liver is needed,( you'd only be a donor for this if you were a real bastard). In this case the prisoner's good heart would go into a patient and the patients organ would go into the prisoner's body. This may result in death but it wouldn't be senseless like capital punishment as a life would be being saved and a debt repayed. I'm sure Harold shipman has some body parts we could use. I know I'm a bastard but if I had my way Garry Glitter would still be in prison nervously waiting to see which organ (or limb) would be taken next.

kj · 25th August 2002, 07:50 PM

i like the idea of using them as organ donors, it would certainly solve many medical shortages... but people would argue, especially churches etc, about the credibility of putting a convicts organs into another person, plus i dont think many people would want to have that in them, even if it meant saving their lives, probably as a last resort, but the last thing i'd want is a bit of a killer or a rapist in my body. They should be put to work i think, as cheap labour, but then you could argue that other people deserve to get paid for the work instead. I dont think dumping them in Australia would go down well, even though it was was originally an island where prisoners were deported, but i dont know the full facts about that. <img border="0" alt="[UhOh]" title="" src="graemlins/uhoh.gif" /> i'm kinda undecided on the argument, i dont think i could live with myself if i knew i had sentenced someone to death, or even worse, if the person that was executed was found to be innocent a few years along the line due to new evidence being discovered, that would be the worst thing.

Red_Baron · 25th August 2002, 08:34 PM

I think that nearly all people in the world who are desperate for a lung, liver or heart would take one from whoever it came from. In fact it is very hard to find out who supplied your organ. So while you may never really know if your liver came from a mass murderer, I think most people would take the risk if it meant they could live and the church and anyone else could keep their fucking nosey parker big brother, nanny state eyes out of it, unless they wished to donate too on demand.

The idea of labour is a good idea though. In fact why not ship the buggers out to Afganistan to help rebuild the country, that would help cut the costs which everyone is so worried about and also hopefully help some criminals to better themselves. Think about it there are so many countries that need roads and communication networks built. We could ship out a lot of criminals to work with the locals to rebuild their social network. It might work and I see no moral problem with it at all.

kj · 25th August 2002, 08:37 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Bannana Man:
The idea of labour is a good idea though. In fact why not ship the buggers out to Afganistan to help rebuild the country, that would help cut the costs which everyone is so worried about and also hopefully help some criminals to better themselves. Think about it there are so many countries that need roads and communication networks built. We could ship out a lot of criminals to work with the locals to rebuild their social network. It might work and I see no moral problem with it at all.<hr /></blockquote>Yeah, but dont you think that by doing that, the prison system would be undercutting the other potention contractors and putting alot of people out of work? I suppose is some countries where there are skill shortages, it would be ok.

Yoda Jedi Master · 27th August 2002, 09:05 PM

it should not be allowed to come back, and it should be outlawed in america also. the risk of putting someone to death who may be innocent is just not small enough to justify it, and if the argument is that it acts as a deterent, then i just think that is wrong also, since there has never been any major changes in the crime rates in America. the 3 counts are you out thing or zero tolerance seems to be working though. It appears that life in prison is worse than death, and rightly so. Dont give people the easy way out.

Scott · 28th August 2002, 12:11 PM

In the UK thou "Life" in prison means 15 years withthe possibility of parole long before that, i thnk the govermentand prison service etc need to taek alook at the sentancing in this country, other countries whenu murder and u get life u get life, here u can getout after only 8 years if you are lucky. Its always beena shambles and probably always will be, i dont agre ewith capital punishment at all but the prison service etc is far too lenient towards serious criminals

bridget frenzy · 28th August 2002, 04:35 PM

personally i think death is an easy way out for murderers and rapists, as is imprisonment in this country, i have no idea what other solutions there could be though?

The world according to Rye · 29th August 2002, 03:48 PM

i wouldnt say death is an easy way out.. taking someones life should not be allowed in any circumstances.. after all 2 wrongs dont make a right although there is an element of revenge! i think the best way to deal with murderers and rapists is torture.. then the fuckwits wont think of doing it again.. how come that asshole idiot tony blair hasnt thought of this? maybe i should run for president... seriously though who agrees with me here? bring in torture?? <img border="0" alt="[Eek]" title="" src="graemlins/eek.gif" />

Lord Kur · 2nd September 2002, 08:34 PM

I think torture is a good idea - if they turn out to be innocent after all, at least the're not dead and you would deter criminals with the threat of extreme pain with not possibility of death. To make the system more effective, if they were later found to be innocent but were convicted at the time, or if they were found innocent but later found to have been guilty or were convicted of the same crime; then all the members of the jury and any police officers involved could be tracked down and tortured.

I see this as the only way. I have very little faith that the judicial system is in any way fair.

The world according to Rye · 3rd September 2002, 09:45 PM

totally man, torture is the best way... if the law is stupid enought to get it wrong and torchure and innocent person.. then they should give them compensation.. but the majority of the time they will get it right!

MotioN · 3rd September 2002, 10:55 PM

YEAH! But the torture has to do with the accusation e.g Theift = Arms Being Chopped Of, Rape = Cock Being Chopped Off! SIMPLE AS THAT! WHY DON'T THEY MAKE ME PRIME MINISTER!!

The world according to Rye · 6th September 2002, 12:05 AM

i dont think it should be as drastic as that... this aint saudi arabia...lol

nothin thats gonna fuck up the rest of there life, but somethin so fuckin painfull that doin it again wouldnt even cross their mind...

LimpKnot · 6th September 2002, 12:45 AM

sum countries r really bad,like wot happened recntly in Pakistan with that woman gettin raped as a punnishment 4 sumthin her brother did. we shud b happy that doesnt happen hear, and crooks shud b the same, thankful they wont get that kind of punishment.i think it shud b brought back... but wot kind of corporal punnishment? hangin or electric shcok?

colshank redemption · 17th October 2002, 02:32 PM

has anyone seen the scene in the green mile? the guys strapped up in the chair & something goes wrong & he starts burning up but dosent quite die..u think thats a easy way out?? but i agree with chuffy, tortue is the way forward. how do u think the familys of jessica chapman & holly wells fee rite now?? if somebody done that too my kid i would try to get a hold of that cunt myself & make him feel a new pain but not quite kill him. i aggree with allergo drum bum a rapist sould have his cock decapetated, think of the mental scars the victim will have her life will b fucked up more than his.
torture them i say!

22nd August 2002, 10:53 AM	#1 (permalink)
kj gimp Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Scotland Posts: 13,759 Band: A band of merry men	Capital Punnishment yes or no, and why? sorry, i cant think of anything else this week, partly cos i'm just too damn tired and lazy. if someone has any better suggestions then post em also and let the convo develop As for my opinions on the subject, i think it should be outlawed all over the world. I'm not going into my reasons just yet cos.....i'm just too damn tired and lazy. __________________ This community cannot survive without your continued support. galleries \|\| links directory \|\| profiles \|\| wiki

25th August 2002, 07:50 PM	#3 (permalink)
kj gimp Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Scotland Posts: 13,759 Band: A band of merry men	i like the idea of using them as organ donors, it would certainly solve many medical shortages... but people would argue, especially churches etc, about the credibility of putting a convicts organs into another person, plus i dont think many people would want to have that in them, even if it meant saving their lives, probably as a last resort, but the last thing i'd want is a bit of a killer or a rapist in my body. They should be put to work i think, as cheap labour, but then you could argue that other people deserve to get paid for the work instead. I dont think dumping them in Australia would go down well, even though it was was originally an island where prisoners were deported, but i dont know the full facts about that. <img border="0" alt="[UhOh]" title="" src="graemlins/uhoh.gif" /> i'm kinda undecided on the argument, i dont think i could live with myself if i knew i had sentenced someone to death, or even worse, if the person that was executed was found to be innocent a few years along the line due to new evidence being discovered, that would be the worst thing. __________________ This community cannot survive without your continued support. galleries \|\| links directory \|\| profiles \|\| wiki

25th August 2002, 08:37 PM	#5 (permalink)
kj gimp Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Scotland Posts: 13,759 Band: A band of merry men	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Bannana Man: <strong>The idea of labour is a good idea though. In fact why not ship the buggers out to Afganistan to help rebuild the country, that would help cut the costs which everyone is so worried about and also hopefully help some criminals to better themselves. Think about it there are so many countries that need roads and communication networks built. We could ship out a lot of criminals to work with the locals to rebuild their social network. It might work and I see no moral problem with it at all.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, but dont you think that by doing that, the prison system would be undercutting the other potention contractors and putting alot of people out of work? I suppose is some countries where there are skill shortages, it would be ok. __________________ This community cannot survive without your continued support. galleries \|\| links directory \|\| profiles \|\| wiki

22nd August 2002, 11:44 AM	#2 (permalink)
Red_Baron Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Dundee/Alyth hybrid Posts: 1,489 Band: 15 Minutes	Unfortunatly, much as I'd like to see many people in this country put to sleep, capital punishment doesn't deter criminals (take the US as an example). My solution is much better, Life in prison where every week, each prisoner must give blood. They must also all be compulsory organ donors. So for example if someone needs a kidney and someone in prison matches, it gets whipped out. This would only be for the worst offenders and it is what i see as repaying a debt to society. The really good part is when heart or liver is needed,( you'd only be a donor for this if you were a real bastard). In this case the prisoner's good heart would go into a patient and the patients organ would go into the prisoner's body. This may result in death but it wouldn't be senseless like capital punishment as a life would be being saved and a debt repayed. I'm sure Harold shipman has some body parts we could use. I know I'm a bastard but if I had my way Garry Glitter would still be in prison nervously waiting to see which organ (or limb) would be taken next.

25th August 2002, 08:34 PM	#4 (permalink)
Red_Baron Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Dundee/Alyth hybrid Posts: 1,489 Band: 15 Minutes	I think that nearly all people in the world who are desperate for a lung, liver or heart would take one from whoever it came from. In fact it is very hard to find out who supplied your organ. So while you may never really know if your liver came from a mass murderer, I think most people would take the risk if it meant they could live and the church and anyone else could keep their fucking nosey parker big brother, nanny state eyes out of it, unless they wished to donate too on demand. The idea of labour is a good idea though. In fact why not ship the buggers out to Afganistan to help rebuild the country, that would help cut the costs which everyone is so worried about and also hopefully help some criminals to better themselves. Think about it there are so many countries that need roads and communication networks built. We could ship out a lot of criminals to work with the locals to rebuild their social network. It might work and I see no moral problem with it at all.

27th August 2002, 09:05 PM	#6 (permalink)
Yoda Jedi Master Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Dundee Posts: 3	it should not be allowed to come back, and it should be outlawed in america also. the risk of putting someone to death who may be innocent is just not small enough to justify it, and if the argument is that it acts as a deterent, then i just think that is wrong also, since there has never been any major changes in the crime rates in America. the 3 counts are you out thing or zero tolerance seems to be working though. It appears that life in prison is worse than death, and rightly so. Dont give people the easy way out.

28th August 2002, 12:11 PM	#7 (permalink)
Scott Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 1,144	In the UK thou "Life" in prison means 15 years withthe possibility of parole long before that, i thnk the govermentand prison service etc need to taek alook at the sentancing in this country, other countries whenu murder and u get life u get life, here u can getout after only 8 years if you are lucky. Its always beena shambles and probably always will be, i dont agre ewith capital punishment at all but the prison service etc is far too lenient towards serious criminals

28th August 2002, 04:35 PM	#8 (permalink)
bridget frenzy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: www.strikeatthesource.com Posts: 2,817	personally i think death is an easy way out for murderers and rapists, as is imprisonment in this country, i have no idea what other solutions there could be though?

29th August 2002, 03:48 PM	#9 (permalink)
The world according to Rye Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Dundee Posts: 2,385	i wouldnt say death is an easy way out.. taking someones life should not be allowed in any circumstances.. after all 2 wrongs dont make a right although there is an element of revenge! i think the best way to deal with murderers and rapists is torture.. then the fuckwits wont think of doing it again.. how come that asshole idiot tony blair hasnt thought of this? maybe i should run for president... seriously though who agrees with me here? bring in torture?? <img border="0" alt="[Eek]" title="" src="graemlins/eek.gif" />

2nd September 2002, 08:34 PM	#10 (permalink)
Lord Kur Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Glasgow Posts: 23	I think torture is a good idea - if they turn out to be innocent after all, at least the're not dead and you would deter criminals with the threat of extreme pain with not possibility of death. To make the system more effective, if they were later found to be innocent but were convicted at the time, or if they were found innocent but later found to have been guilty or were convicted of the same crime; then all the members of the jury and any police officers involved could be tracked down and tortured. I see this as the only way. I have very little faith that the judicial system is in any way fair.

3rd September 2002, 09:45 PM	#11 (permalink)
The world according to Rye Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Dundee Posts: 2,385	totally man, torture is the best way... if the law is stupid enought to get it wrong and torchure and innocent person.. then they should give them compensation.. but the majority of the time they will get it right!

3rd September 2002, 10:55 PM	#12 (permalink)
MotioN Listen to Void! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Perth/Abernethy Posts: 7,472 Band: Allergo, Violent Response, Nekrocircus, RatpukE, Octopope	YEAH! But the torture has to do with the accusation e.g Theift = Arms Being Chopped Of, Rape = Cock Being Chopped Off! SIMPLE AS THAT! WHY DON'T THEY MAKE ME PRIME MINISTER!!

6th September 2002, 12:05 AM	#13 (permalink)
The world according to Rye Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Dundee Posts: 2,385	i dont think it should be as drastic as that... this aint saudi arabia...lol nothin thats gonna fuck up the rest of there life, but somethin so fuckin painfull that doin it again wouldnt even cross their mind...

6th September 2002, 12:45 AM	#14 (permalink)
LimpKnot Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Dundee Posts: 390 Band: I'm involved with your mom	sum countries r really bad,like wot happened recntly in Pakistan with that woman gettin raped as a punnishment 4 sumthin her brother did. we shud b happy that doesnt happen hear, and crooks shud b the same, thankful they wont get that kind of punishment.i think it shud b brought back... but wot kind of corporal punnishment? hangin or electric shcok?

17th October 2002, 02:32 PM	#15 (permalink)
colshank redemption Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: anstruther Posts: 843	has anyone seen the scene in the green mile? the guys strapped up in the chair & something goes wrong & he starts burning up but dosent quite die..u think thats a easy way out?? but i agree with chuffy, tortue is the way forward. how do u think the familys of jessica chapman & holly wells fee rite now?? if somebody done that too my kid i would try to get a hold of that cunt myself & make him feel a new pain but not quite kill him. i aggree with allergo drum bum a rapist sould have his cock decapetated, think of the mental scars the victim will have her life will b fucked up more than his. torture them i say!