Recording Industry of America Plan to Hack P2P Networks

kj · 28th September 2002, 06:56 PM

With latest news that the recording industry of america is planning to seek permission for the international law makers to give them protection to enable the hacking of various P2P networks, do you think this is acceptable in combating illegal downloads and music piracy?

Do you agree with the sharing of copyright protected material. Would you continue to download mp3's using various networks?

Or do you agree with the artists on this. After all, it isnt just the musicians and songwriters that suffer, but the sound technicians all the way down to the shop workers at the local record store.

Do you have any ideas on how to reduce the effect of music piracy? Opinions please.

njw · 29th September 2002, 04:02 PM

i can see all the problems, but it wont stop me downloading songs. but most of the songs i download are by bands who dont mind their stuff being downloaded, and dont have a record company to oblige too.

Afro Joe · 29th September 2002, 06:37 PM

I think the p2p networks are a great way for more and more people to gain access to all different styles of music. Which can only be a good thing.
If it wasnt for Napster, Morpheus, KaZaA etc. i wouldnt have discovered all the obscure funk that i've totally fallen in love with.
Fair enough, rock/pop "stars" are gettin bumped outta money but as long as they have enough money to live, whats the problem.
I think its quite sickening that doctors/nurses/firemen and all the eople who actually save peoples' lives are getting paid a hell of a lot less than "entertainers".

kj · 29th September 2002, 06:50 PM

agreed, kinda, but what about the people record companies employ? not the artists and producers etc, but the caterers, cleaners, admin staff etc etc. What if they are released from their jobs due to the fact that they cannot be paid because the company is not making enough money to be able to afford their employment? is that fair?

Afro Joe · 29th September 2002, 07:07 PM

You really enjoy doing this to me don't you kj?
Asking questions that are totally justified, but that i cant possibly answer without being a dick about it.
Ah well

AlanG · 29th September 2002, 07:07 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by KJ.:
not the artists and producers etc, but the caterers, cleaners, admin staff etc etc. What if they are released from their jobs due to the fact that they cannot be paid because the company is not making enough money to be able to afford their employment? is that fair?<hr /></blockquote>is it fair that the record companies can afford all these staffs wages due to the talent of the artist, who recieves only 5points or so per album?

Afro Joe · 29th September 2002, 07:09 PM

i withdraw everything i've posted in this topic.
I'm no good at topical arguing. <img border="0" alt="[UhOh]" title="" src="graemlins/uhoh.gif" />

Red_Baron · 29th September 2002, 07:40 PM

I find that most people who dowload songs tend to download a few tunes just to make sure they're gonna like the CD then go out and by it. there's nothing worse than shelling out 15 quid only to find the album is crap. maybe if the price of CDs were brought down there wouldn't be so much illegal dowloading in the first place.

I also think the record companies' real fear is not being able to control what the majority of people listen to. Take these two bloody jokers Spikey Gates and Will 'the chin' Young. If you're a kid growing up and that's all you have in your face all the time, you're not gonna realise that there is so much more diversity out there. But if there was a place where this kid could go where they could dowload anything the wanted for free they'd soon drop the manufactured rubbish and pick up somthing they really liked and then start buying that. In lamen terms a record companies job is to sell products which involves marketing and product placement. For this to work though you have to ensure people are watching and listening but if they soon find a better product that they were never told about they're gonna stop watching and listening. It's the same with Windows, there are not many people that know there are hundreds of different operating systems to choose from because Mr Gates has done what most record companies do, make us beleive there is nothing else out there. So allow free downloading as when people start buying the bloody records all these people that were let go 'cause of the great profit losses will be brough back to deal with the demand.

28th September 2002, 06:56 PM	#1 (permalink)
kj gimp Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Scotland Posts: 13,766 Band: A band of merry men	Recording Industry of America Plan to Hack P2P Networks With latest news that the recording industry of america is planning to seek permission for the international law makers to give them protection to enable the hacking of various P2P networks, do you think this is acceptable in combating illegal downloads and music piracy? Do you agree with the sharing of copyright protected material. Would you continue to download mp3's using various networks? Or do you agree with the artists on this. After all, it isnt just the musicians and songwriters that suffer, but the sound technicians all the way down to the shop workers at the local record store. Do you have any ideas on how to reduce the effect of music piracy? Opinions please. __________________ This community cannot survive without your continued support. galleries \|\| links directory \|\| profiles \|\| wiki

29th September 2002, 04:02 PM	#2 (permalink)
njw Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: DD1 Posts: 8,163	i can see all the problems, but it wont stop me downloading songs. but most of the songs i download are by bands who dont mind their stuff being downloaded, and dont have a record company to oblige too. __________________ You can put a cat in the oven, but that doesn't make it a biscuit.

29th September 2002, 06:50 PM	#4 (permalink)
kj gimp Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Scotland Posts: 13,766 Band: A band of merry men	agreed, kinda, but what about the people record companies employ? not the artists and producers etc, but the caterers, cleaners, admin staff etc etc. What if they are released from their jobs due to the fact that they cannot be paid because the company is not making enough money to be able to afford their employment? is that fair? __________________ This community cannot survive without your continued support. galleries \|\| links directory \|\| profiles \|\| wiki

29th September 2002, 07:07 PM	#6 (permalink)
AlanG ModSword +5 of Editing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dundee Posts: 3,339	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by KJ.: <strong>not the artists and producers etc, but the caterers, cleaners, admin staff etc etc. What if they are released from their jobs due to the fact that they cannot be paid because the company is not making enough money to be able to afford their employment? is that fair?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">is it fair that the record companies can afford all these staffs wages due to the talent of the artist, who recieves only 5points or so per album? __________________ Ernie Ross - "I'm not a rent-a-quote MP" 10 Sep 04 Ernie Ross being a rent-a-quote MP 23 Jul 04

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

29th September 2002, 06:37 PM	#3 (permalink)
Afro Joe Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Glasgow Posts: 7,272	I think the p2p networks are a great way for more and more people to gain access to all different styles of music. Which can only be a good thing. If it wasnt for Napster, Morpheus, KaZaA etc. i wouldnt have discovered all the obscure funk that i've totally fallen in love with. Fair enough, rock/pop "stars" are gettin bumped outta money but as long as they have enough money to live, whats the problem. I think its quite sickening that doctors/nurses/firemen and all the eople who actually save peoples' lives are getting paid a hell of a lot less than "entertainers".

29th September 2002, 07:07 PM	#5 (permalink)
Afro Joe Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Glasgow Posts: 7,272	You really enjoy doing this to me don't you kj? Asking questions that are totally justified, but that i cant possibly answer without being a dick about it. Ah well

29th September 2002, 07:09 PM	#7 (permalink)
Afro Joe Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Glasgow Posts: 7,272	i withdraw everything i've posted in this topic. I'm no good at topical arguing. <img border="0" alt="[UhOh]" title="" src="graemlins/uhoh.gif" />

29th September 2002, 07:40 PM	#8 (permalink)
Red_Baron Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Dundee/Alyth hybrid Posts: 1,489 Band: 15 Minutes	I find that most people who dowload songs tend to download a few tunes just to make sure they're gonna like the CD then go out and by it. there's nothing worse than shelling out 15 quid only to find the album is crap. maybe if the price of CDs were brought down there wouldn't be so much illegal dowloading in the first place. I also think the record companies' real fear is not being able to control what the majority of people listen to. Take these two bloody jokers Spikey Gates and Will 'the chin' Young. If you're a kid growing up and that's all you have in your face all the time, you're not gonna realise that there is so much more diversity out there. But if there was a place where this kid could go where they could dowload anything the wanted for free they'd soon drop the manufactured rubbish and pick up somthing they really liked and then start buying that. In lamen terms a record companies job is to sell products which involves marketing and product placement. For this to work though you have to ensure people are watching and listening but if they soon find a better product that they were never told about they're gonna stop watching and listening. It's the same with Windows, there are not many people that know there are hundreds of different operating systems to choose from because Mr Gates has done what most record companies do, make us beleive there is nothing else out there. So allow free downloading as when people start buying the bloody records all these people that were let go 'cause of the great profit losses will be brough back to deal with the demand.