Fireman's Strike

Red_Baron · 18th October 2002, 06:09 PM

Should we support the firemen's strike in 10 days time? Should they receive a 40% increase now or over a period of time?Do they deserve 30 grand a year? Personally I think they do when their pay and job are put into perspective with other public sector jobs, and indeed most private sector ones too.

Crabs · 19th October 2002, 12:01 PM

I definetely think they deserve a pay rise. They're risking their lives for others day in day out and deserve a healthy pay check. However, I think that by going on strike they are risking many lives for their own needs and their are bound to be other ways of doing it. Even though the army will be taking over for both of the stikes they are not equipped or trained for fire fighting and many lives will be lost by kids in the army and the public.

The strikes are coming at a bad time. I think the second one is planned for the 2nd november and a lot of people are gonna be having bonfires and firework displays in their gardens around this time since it is so close to guy fawks night. I guess the fire fighters will get their point across that they are a needed and deserve a higher salary which is fair enough but at the cost of how many lives.

colshank redemption · 20th October 2002, 02:31 PM

well i think crabs summed it all up i totally agree with him/her.

youthcultureforsale · 20th October 2002, 09:00 PM

Instead of striking what if they put a limit on how many lives they saved,or an age limit even?if your over 60 then sorry but its good night campers,or a ban on cats stuck up trees,if your cats stuck tough shit,or a water limit,they only take a maximum of 1000 litres to any single fire if its not out by the time the waters used up unlucky yer broon breed,see theres many an option instead of a strike after all thats a bit drastic

i hope noone takes this seriously

njw · 21st October 2002, 11:39 AM

haha

nae luck missus, weve run oota water

Gregory · 24th October 2002, 08:51 AM

i agree with crabs too(nice one craig)........but we have to look at other work sectors too......teachers pay is down 6% in comparison to rises in other jobs.....executive managers pay is up 200% in comparison to other jobs......farm workers have atrocious pay....we need to look not only at the firefighting heroes but at all of the every day people who deserve more too...

tax on the richest sections of society has gone down over the past 25 years it is our so called "labour" government who want to keep it that way.....if there was increased taxation on the rich then we could afford better public sector pay and better facilities in transport, the NHS and Education.

plus they say there is no money to give the firemen.......look at the cost of a potential war against Iraq.......hundreds of millions....

this government is a bunch of hypocrites

Gregory · 24th October 2002, 08:53 AM

oh yeah and "youthcultureforsale" when the revolution comes i am going to be in the vanguard....where will you be?

youthcultureforsale · 24th October 2002, 09:58 AM

ill be starting it

Grossi Agent · 24th October 2002, 10:16 AM

Well put.

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Bob Knight · 24th October 2002, 10:21 AM

Fire folk are manual workers with a ladder and a hose. No way do they deserve 40%.

Red_Baron · 24th October 2002, 11:28 AM

LOL, ignonrance is bliss eh? "manual workers with a ladder and a hose". Bit like saying teachers are over paid child carers or paramedics are fancy van drivers.To live in the a world of niavity must be fine.

DoCtOr-PeN 15 · 24th October 2002, 01:23 PM

When the revolution comes I'll be signing the guestbook with something completely irrelevant and pointless.

What's niavity? I didn't know they had ladders as well!

Grantticus · 24th October 2002, 05:04 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DoCtOr-PeN 15:
When the revolution comes I'll be signing the guestbook with something completely irrelevant and pointless.<hr /></blockquote>Like i do now. sign things that have no point in them!

njw · 24th October 2002, 05:16 PM

FOR GODS SAKE WHY DONT SOME OF YOU TRY RATIONAL THINKING...

ok.... firefighters want 40% increase in pay... now they are going on strike, the banks will burn down, and then theyll hae nae money left anyway...

what they should do is ROB the banks, take all the money, burn them down, and say that the govt. should have co-operated, and then they couldve saved the banks from burning down.....

<img border="0" alt="[Freak]" title="" src="graemlins/freak.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Looking]" title="" src="graemlins/looking.gif" />

or maybe they could just give them the money they deserve

kj · 15th November 2002, 09:26 PM

i'm still split on the whole thing. On one hand its completely irresponsible going on strike, people have already died. On the other, they dont get paid enough for putting their lives on the line, although 40% is a bit excessive.

18th October 2002, 06:09 PM	#1 (permalink)
Red_Baron Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Dundee/Alyth hybrid Posts: 1,504 Band: 15 Minutes	Fireman's Strike Should we support the firemen's strike in 10 days time? Should they receive a 40% increase now or over a period of time?Do they deserve 30 grand a year? Personally I think they do when their pay and job are put into perspective with other public sector jobs, and indeed most private sector ones too.

21st October 2002, 11:39 AM	#5 (permalink)
njw Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: DD1 Posts: 8,234	haha nae luck missus, weve run oota water __________________ You can put a cat in the oven, but that doesn't make it a biscuit.

24th October 2002, 05:04 PM	#13 (permalink)
Grantticus Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Perth, Scotland Posts: 2,611 Band: Four Star	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by DoCtOr-PeN 15: <strong>When the revolution comes I'll be signing the guestbook with something completely irrelevant and pointless.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Like i do now. sign things that have no point in them!

24th October 2002, 05:16 PM	#14 (permalink)
njw Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: DD1 Posts: 8,234	FOR GODS SAKE WHY DONT SOME OF YOU TRY RATIONAL THINKING... ok.... firefighters want 40% increase in pay... now they are going on strike, the banks will burn down, and then theyll hae nae money left anyway... what they should do is ROB the banks, take all the money, burn them down, and say that the govt. should have co-operated, and then they couldve saved the banks from burning down..... <img border="0" alt="[Freak]" title="" src="graemlins/freak.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Looking]" title="" src="graemlins/looking.gif" /> or maybe they could just give them the money they deserve __________________ You can put a cat in the oven, but that doesn't make it a biscuit.

15th November 2002, 09:26 PM	#15 (permalink)
kj gimp Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Scotland Posts: 14,227 Band: A band of merry men	i'm still split on the whole thing. On one hand its completely irresponsible going on strike, people have already died. On the other, they dont get paid enough for putting their lives on the line, although 40% is a bit excessive. __________________ This community cannot survive without your continued support. galleries \|\| links directory \|\| profiles \|\| wiki

19th October 2002, 12:01 PM	#2 (permalink)
Crabs Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Stirling Posts: 174	I definetely think they deserve a pay rise. They're risking their lives for others day in day out and deserve a healthy pay check. However, I think that by going on strike they are risking many lives for their own needs and their are bound to be other ways of doing it. Even though the army will be taking over for both of the stikes they are not equipped or trained for fire fighting and many lives will be lost by kids in the army and the public. The strikes are coming at a bad time. I think the second one is planned for the 2nd november and a lot of people are gonna be having bonfires and firework displays in their gardens around this time since it is so close to guy fawks night. I guess the fire fighters will get their point across that they are a needed and deserve a higher salary which is fair enough but at the cost of how many lives.

20th October 2002, 02:31 PM	#3 (permalink)
colshank redemption Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: anstruther Posts: 843	well i think crabs summed it all up i totally agree with him/her.

20th October 2002, 09:00 PM	#4 (permalink)
youthcultureforsale Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: why do you care? Posts: 470	Instead of striking what if they put a limit on how many lives they saved,or an age limit even?if your over 60 then sorry but its good night campers,or a ban on cats stuck up trees,if your cats stuck tough shit,or a water limit,they only take a maximum of 1000 litres to any single fire if its not out by the time the waters used up unlucky yer broon breed,see theres many an option instead of a strike after all thats a bit drastic i hope noone takes this seriously

24th October 2002, 08:51 AM	#6 (permalink)
Gregory Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Cupar Posts: 123	i agree with crabs too(nice one craig)........but we have to look at other work sectors too......teachers pay is down 6% in comparison to rises in other jobs.....executive managers pay is up 200% in comparison to other jobs......farm workers have atrocious pay....we need to look not only at the firefighting heroes but at all of the every day people who deserve more too... tax on the richest sections of society has gone down over the past 25 years it is our so called "labour" government who want to keep it that way.....if there was increased taxation on the rich then we could afford better public sector pay and better facilities in transport, the NHS and Education. plus they say there is no money to give the firemen.......look at the cost of a potential war against Iraq.......hundreds of millions.... this government is a bunch of hypocrites

24th October 2002, 08:53 AM	#7 (permalink)
Gregory Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Cupar Posts: 123	oh yeah and "youthcultureforsale" when the revolution comes i am going to be in the vanguard....where will you be?

24th October 2002, 09:58 AM	#8 (permalink)
youthcultureforsale Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: why do you care? Posts: 470	ill be starting it

24th October 2002, 10:16 AM	#9 (permalink)
Grossi Agent Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Dundee Posts: 392	Well put. And I'll be playing bass for the band in question <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> (__)__):::::::::::::::::::::::: D Only 20 days to go!

24th October 2002, 10:21 AM	#10 (permalink)
Bob Knight Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Aberdeen Posts: 113	Fire folk are manual workers with a ladder and a hose. No way do they deserve 40%.

24th October 2002, 11:28 AM	#11 (permalink)
Red_Baron Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Dundee/Alyth hybrid Posts: 1,504 Band: 15 Minutes	LOL, ignonrance is bliss eh? "manual workers with a ladder and a hose". Bit like saying teachers are over paid child carers or paramedics are fancy van drivers.To live in the a world of niavity must be fine.

24th October 2002, 01:23 PM	#12 (permalink)
DoCtOr-PeN 15 Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Perf, Punk City Posts: 800	When the revolution comes I'll be signing the guestbook with something completely irrelevant and pointless. What's niavity? I didn't know they had ladders as well!

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