The State of our planet parts 1 & 2

[All_in_black]

Part 1

I've just finished watching some documentary on 'BBC Four on BBC Two' - some british journalist going around Iraq with soldiers on both sides.

At one point, this journalist guy is in a crowd of maybe 2000 civilian protesters who are pissed off with America. All of a sudden the crowd turns nasty and starts attacking him. He runs, and a bunch of guys (Iraqi) guys help him by shutting him up in a shop and negotiating with the mob. Soon, a group of resistance fighters, known to us as 'terrorists' appear, and escort the journalist to a pick-up truck shouting "He's just a journalist". The crowd respects these men as they are freedom fighters, and so they allow the BBC guy to be whisked away in a truck. Once away from the danger area, the terrorists/soldiers/freedom-fighters tell the journalist that he should try to avoid large crowds of protesters in future, and shake his hand as they wish him well.

The government, they want us to believe that our soldiers are fighting 'evil' and that the resistance fighters hate our civil liberties. Wrong. Most of them are civilians with guns who just want to protect their families and country.

By aiding a British journalist, it became clear that these 'terrorists' do in fact have a sense of sympathy and compassion, and even though one less journalist in Iraq would not have mattered much to them, they still saved one from being lynched.

Of course, I'd heard stories like this before, but seeing it actually happen on-screen made me realise that our enemy is purely fictional, and that our soldiers are being assigned a job that will bring no good to anyone.

Somebody tell me, what the fuck can we do about this??? Protesting nowadays is futile, we learned that at the start of this conflict. What are we to do??

Part 2

Chechen rebels took over the school.

Who the fuck takes over a school and holds a bunch of young children hostage?

Who the fuck does that??

Fucking pieces of shit deserve to rot in hell.

Anyway, I've got a horrible feeling the Russian army are going to do what they did a couple years ago at that siege in the cinema. Remember? They pumped in gas that was 20,000 times stronger than morphine (yes, 20,000 times stronger than morphine), killing about a quarter of the hostages.

Let's fuckin hope they don't do it again.

[WATCHO!!]

i agree that our troops are being sent to carry out orders that won't do much good, but nothings gonna change that. its nothing new.
not that im assuming the freedom fighters/terrorists ARE bad guys but how do u know they werent shooting people in the face a few hours before the camera came on?

part 2: shoot the fucking lot of them (the hostage takers not the kids). i dont see them using the gas attack on kids but nowadays it wouldnt really surprise me.

[Roselay]

maybe the "resistance fighters" were playing up to the camera just to fool people into thinking they are nice people...you just dont know who to trust and what to trust nowadays..

nah, im just being bitter. that is nice. but just because you saw one incident like that doesnt mean you can generalise that all resistance fighters are like that..everyone is different blah blah blah.

i havent heard of stories like that before..but i've probably just not been in tune.

[kj]

i think there is a difference between terrorists and resistance fighters. Of course there are those people described above, and the BBC guy was lucky to have run into them, but there are others with a different agenda, as we have seen by all the kidnappings and murders of journalists in Iraq this year.

I missed this programme, would have been good to watch.

[AlanG]

part 1:
if the Iraqis fighting are terrorists then that means America was granted independance by terrorists fighting against Britain. Sees the kind of spin put on history and the present day news doesnt it. Doubleplusungood.
As for foreigners in Iraq fighting, no doubt some are fighting _for_ Iraq but the majority probably are terrorists who want to fight _against_ America

Part 2:

First of all I condemn the actions of those at the school before anyone thinks I support their actions, but any action like this needs to be put into context.

Given that our media barely covers the chechnyan chrisis and has not mentioned it at all in the school crisis:
150 years ago Russia invaded Chechnya along with lots of other states.
~15 years ago at the breackup of the Soviet Union Chechnyans voted for independance as did many other countries.
Chechnya was not granted independance as it has vast natural resources of oil and gas.
Since then Russian puppet regimes have been put in place after mock elections.
Since then 1/3 of Chechnyans have been killed by the Russians.

The people at the school were scum and did their cause no good but when pushed against a wall people react with the same aggression used against them.

How is this then described? Are Chechnyans freedom fighters when fighting for the freedom they voted for in their home country and terrorists when in another? Are they terrorists when fighting in their own country? Does that mean that anyone, ANYONE fighting back against invasion is then a terrorist? Things arent always as black and white as the media makes out, they never report the grey area.


Additionally notice the link between both countries in these conflicts, both have been invaded by foreigners intent on securing their oil reserves and the people fighting back are called terrorists in the media whilst the invaders are the goodies?

Mark Thatcher is arrested for attempting a coup in Equitorial Guinea where there are massive oil reserves. The media reports that the reason for the coup is to gain access to the countries oil reserves but doesnt dare mention that about Chechnya, Iraq etc. And anyone who points it out is attacked furiosly.

Ten years ago Russia and China were the evil empire now theyre our bestest buddies.
Europa is now at war with Eurasia.