Weather/Global warming

Rebelius · 16th September 2004, 05:21 PM

we've all seen the extreme weather over in the Pacific/US just now.

Do you think it's to do with global warming caused by human activity?

thoughts...?

RussellOrGoose · 16th September 2004, 06:10 PM

Theres a big article about global warming and the future of the earths weather in 'National Geographic' magazine(you should check it out,great magazine) this and from reading that and seeing whats happening.....i have to say yes.It said since earths beginings there's been at least 7 major weather changes and we might be living through the 8th but i doubt it's the end of the world.
However given the fact i won't be alive when everything gets REALLY bad (they say 2150 onwards) i can't really complain.

Rebelius · 16th September 2004, 06:26 PM

my little sister gets that mag. I've never seen passed the front cover.

so you recon it's related to what humans are doing then?

Mean Girl · 16th September 2004, 06:37 PM

surely it has to be contributing somewhere along the line
and everywhere in the world has seen plenty of weather extremities, just look at how dundee was about 8 weeks ago.

Keerin · 16th September 2004, 06:43 PM

i think it partly is humans but also its probably just natural.

from www.newspeakdictionary.com:

"There have been several studies that show an increase of global temperatures of about 1/2 of a degree over the last 100 or so years. Environmentalist take this data and extrapolate it over the next century and claim that global temperatures will rise as much as 10 degrees, causing floods, famine, etc, etc.

The basis for these wild claims are studies which show a minute change of about 1/2 of a degree over the course of recorded history. But, all of these studies have one basic flaw - These studies rely solely on temperature data collected from weather monitoring stations. Every one of these studies chooses to ignore weather balloon data, which for some reason shows no indications of global warming what-so-ever.

You may be wondering why is there a discrepancy between these two data sets? Allow me to explain. Weather stations are often located in urban centers, and are thus susceptible to the "Urban heat island effect". You may have never heard of this term before, but I'm sure you are familiar with its effect. Have you ever been listen to a news report, and wonder why the temperatures in heavy urban areas are almost always a few degrees higher than the surrounding rural areas? If you've never noticed it before, I'm sure you've heard the weatherman say something like, The temp is currently 85 degrees in the country, 88 in the city. This is the "urban heat island" effect. It is caused by the fact that concrete absorbs more heat (reflects less light) than trees and other vegetation, and some of these weather stations are smack dab in the middle of this concrete jungle. As more areas become urbanized, more of the data which is collected will be skewed by this effect. Don't be alarmed. This does not mean that the planet is warming. It just means that the air inside the few square miles of the inner city is being warmed, but this has no real effect on the planet at large, since urban areas account for a very small percentage of the Earth's surface area - and only effect the atmosphere near the surface of the planet. This is why weather balloon data shows no increase in temperature.

This "urban heat island effect" can easily explain the .5 change in surface temperatures. Any meteorologist can tell you that. When you consider this fact along with the fact that weather balloon data shown NO increase in temperature, the only conclusion one can reach is that there IS NO GLOBAL WARMING! NONE! Any scientist worth his salt would have to agree, yet politicians choose to ignore the facts, and continue citing these flawed studies in order to push through their globalist political agenda. Even worse, anybody that does not fully accept all these theories as fact is branded as a heretic, and an enemy of the planet.

Don't get me wrong. I believe that we should be finding ways to limit pollution and save energy. I just have a problem with the federal government passing frivolous legislation - legislation that will end up having little of no effect on the environment, and will end up costing consumers billions of dollars - and justify these extreme actions with fraudulent studies."

Rebelius · 16th September 2004, 06:45 PM

aye but it could be natural. There was an Ice age before and i doubt burning fossil fuels caused that.

I'm guessing it must be something to do with us though, the weather's getting pretty extreme.

"Even worse, anybody that does not fully accept all these theories as fact is branded as a heretic, and an enemy of the planet."

I'd take that with a rather GIGANTIC pinch of salt!

All_in_black · 16th September 2004, 06:46 PM

Yeah, but it's the Carribbean in the summer time. This has been happening for hundreds of thousands of years, right?

Roselay · 16th September 2004, 07:01 PM

aye, kurgen, i've always thought it was just natural..i mean think about the ice age and stuff..if that happened now people would blame global warming..most probably.

i havent read your article thing yet but i will

Keerin · 16th September 2004, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roselay

aye, kurgen, i've always thought it was just natural..i mean think about the ice age and stuff..if that happened now people would blame global warming..most probably.

i havent read your article thing yet but i will

its interesting. its not mine though.

moscow/findo · 17th September 2004, 08:45 AM

This does make sense.
It kind of worries me because the media are so intent on being sensationalist at the moment, it's really difficult to tell how serious problems are. "Worst Hurricane in Living memory"... etc. I don't know enough about meteorology to be able to make up my own mind, and it is very difficult to get impartial and easily understood statistics.
Maybe things aren't as bad as the media make them out to be.
I was thinking: compare the number of people who die in traffic accidents in the UK alone (I hear the figure 10,000), to the number of people who die from terrorist attacks in the entire world every year (what? 1000 people? at the very most???). Frankly, the doom and gloom policy of news programmes and newspapers makes me sceptical of the spin they seem to put on seemingly bad situations.
If fuel emissions and pollution were responsible for the supposed change for the worse in the worlds climate, and ultimately the death of thousands of people, would the governement not be bringing in much more serious legislation to prevent it, and much more swiftly? I mean, terrorism is targeted heavily by current government policy, when in the grand scheme of things, compared to famine for instance, it's not even in the same league. But maybe that says something more about how we are being manipulated to fear what the government wants us to fear.
Maybe I'm just paranoid.

well.

goodnight!

16th September 2004, 05:21 PM	#1 (permalink)
Rebelius Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 7,220	Weather/Global warming we've all seen the extreme weather over in the Pacific/US just now. Do you think it's to do with global warming caused by human activity? thoughts...?

16th September 2004, 06:43 PM	#5 (permalink)
Keerin UGS Site Writer Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: probably work Posts: 6,670 Band: Welcome Home, Explorer; Vulsellum; Altruist	i think it partly is humans but also its probably just natural. from www.newspeakdictionary.com: "There have been several studies that show an increase of global temperatures of about 1/2 of a degree over the last 100 or so years. Environmentalist take this data and extrapolate it over the next century and claim that global temperatures will rise as much as 10 degrees, causing floods, famine, etc, etc. The basis for these wild claims are studies which show a minute change of about 1/2 of a degree over the course of recorded history. But, all of these studies have one basic flaw - These studies rely solely on temperature data collected from weather monitoring stations. Every one of these studies chooses to ignore weather balloon data, which for some reason shows no indications of global warming what-so-ever. You may be wondering why is there a discrepancy between these two data sets? Allow me to explain. Weather stations are often located in urban centers, and are thus susceptible to the "Urban heat island effect". You may have never heard of this term before, but I'm sure you are familiar with its effect. Have you ever been listen to a news report, and wonder why the temperatures in heavy urban areas are almost always a few degrees higher than the surrounding rural areas? If you've never noticed it before, I'm sure you've heard the weatherman say something like, The temp is currently 85 degrees in the country, 88 in the city. This is the "urban heat island" effect. It is caused by the fact that concrete absorbs more heat (reflects less light) than trees and other vegetation, and some of these weather stations are smack dab in the middle of this concrete jungle. As more areas become urbanized, more of the data which is collected will be skewed by this effect. Don't be alarmed. This does not mean that the planet is warming. It just means that the air inside the few square miles of the inner city is being warmed, but this has no real effect on the planet at large, since urban areas account for a very small percentage of the Earth's surface area - and only effect the atmosphere near the surface of the planet. This is why weather balloon data shows no increase in temperature. This "urban heat island effect" can easily explain the .5 change in surface temperatures. Any meteorologist can tell you that. When you consider this fact along with the fact that weather balloon data shown NO increase in temperature, the only conclusion one can reach is that there IS NO GLOBAL WARMING! NONE! Any scientist worth his salt would have to agree, yet politicians choose to ignore the facts, and continue citing these flawed studies in order to push through their globalist political agenda. Even worse, anybody that does not fully accept all these theories as fact is branded as a heretic, and an enemy of the planet. Don't get me wrong. I believe that we should be finding ways to limit pollution and save energy. I just have a problem with the federal government passing frivolous legislation - legislation that will end up having little of no effect on the environment, and will end up costing consumers billions of dollars - and justify these extreme actions with fraudulent studies." __________________ Welcome Home, Explorer \|Vulsellum\|Scum Killer http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...6/scan0002.jpg

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Rebelius Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 7,220	aye but it could be natural. There was an Ice age before and i doubt burning fossil fuels caused that. I'm guessing it must be something to do with us though, the weather's getting pretty extreme. "Even worse, anybody that does not fully accept all these theories as fact is branded as a heretic, and an enemy of the planet." I'd take that with a rather GIGANTIC pinch of salt! Last edited by Rebelius : 16th September 2004 at 07:01 PM.

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16th September 2004, 06:10 PM	#2 (permalink)
RussellOrGoose legend Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Cupar Posts: 6,432	Theres a big article about global warming and the future of the earths weather in 'National Geographic' magazine(you should check it out,great magazine) this and from reading that and seeing whats happening.....i have to say yes.It said since earths beginings there's been at least 7 major weather changes and we might be living through the 8th but i doubt it's the end of the world. However given the fact i won't be alive when everything gets REALLY bad (they say 2150 onwards) i can't really complain.

16th September 2004, 06:26 PM	#3 (permalink)
Rebelius Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 7,220	my little sister gets that mag. I've never seen passed the front cover. so you recon it's related to what humans are doing then?

16th September 2004, 06:37 PM	#4 (permalink)
Mean Girl Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Barnhill/Broughty Ferry Posts: 635	surely it has to be contributing somewhere along the line and everywhere in the world has seen plenty of weather extremities, just look at how dundee was about 8 weeks ago.

16th September 2004, 06:46 PM	#7 (permalink)
All_in_black Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kirriemuir Posts: 1,873	Yeah, but it's the Carribbean in the summer time. This has been happening for hundreds of thousands of years, right?

16th September 2004, 07:01 PM	#8 (permalink)
Roselay Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Cuparish Posts: 370	aye, kurgen, i've always thought it was just natural..i mean think about the ice age and stuff..if that happened now people would blame global warming..most probably. i havent read your article thing yet but i will

17th September 2004, 08:45 AM	#10 (permalink)
moscow/findo Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Glasgow Posts: 463	This does make sense. It kind of worries me because the media are so intent on being sensationalist at the moment, it's really difficult to tell how serious problems are. "Worst Hurricane in Living memory"... etc. I don't know enough about meteorology to be able to make up my own mind, and it is very difficult to get impartial and easily understood statistics. Maybe things aren't as bad as the media make them out to be. I was thinking: compare the number of people who die in traffic accidents in the UK alone (I hear the figure 10,000), to the number of people who die from terrorist attacks in the entire world every year (what? 1000 people? at the very most???). Frankly, the doom and gloom policy of news programmes and newspapers makes me sceptical of the spin they seem to put on seemingly bad situations. If fuel emissions and pollution were responsible for the supposed change for the worse in the worlds climate, and ultimately the death of thousands of people, would the governement not be bringing in much more serious legislation to prevent it, and much more swiftly? I mean, terrorism is targeted heavily by current government policy, when in the grand scheme of things, compared to famine for instance, it's not even in the same league. But maybe that says something more about how we are being manipulated to fear what the government wants us to fear. Maybe I'm just paranoid. well. goodnight!