al qaeda are an anti globalisation movement

spam_javelin · 18th October 2004, 04:30 PM

Al qaeda are an anti globalisation movement.

Discuss.

To what extent do you agree or disagree with the above statement?

kj · 18th October 2004, 04:38 PM

completely disagree. They would want the entire globe to be an Islamic State. imo.

AlanG · 18th October 2004, 04:41 PM

agree with KJ, they are not anti-globalisation, they are anti-western globalisation

spam_javelin · 19th October 2004, 04:22 PM

But being anti western globalisation IS being anti globalisation surely?

Nearly all globalisation could be associated with western (or more specifically American) Imperialism.

Rebelius · 19th October 2004, 04:59 PM

globalisation

n : growth to a global or worldwide scale

spam_javelin · 19th October 2004, 06:03 PM

But peoples meaning of globalisation is always gonna be different.

i think this is the definition i agree with most: "GLOBALISATION CAN THUS BE DEFINED AS THE INTENSIFICATION OF WORLDWIDE SOCIAL RELATIONS WHICH LINK DISTANT LOCALTIES IN SUCH A WAY THAT LOCAL HAPPENINGS ARE SHAPED BY EVENTS OCCURRING MANY MILES AWAY AND VICE VERSA."

AlanG · 20th October 2004, 09:16 AM

they are anti-western dominated globalisation: they dont want an America/american corporation dominated world

they are pro-globalisation: they want a worldwide Islamic totalitarian theocracy under Islamic law

most of the "anti-globalisation" demonstrators arent against globalisation per-se just the way it is happenning and the exploitation that is happenning along with it and the dominance of the multinationals.

RealR · 20th October 2004, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan G

they are anti-western dominated globalisation: they dont want an America/american corporation dominated world

they are pro-globalisation: they want a worldwide Islamic totalitarian theocracy under Islamic law

most of the "anti-globalisation" demonstrators arent against globalisation per-se just the way it is happenning and the exploitation that is happenning along with it and the dominance of the multinationals.

Yeah totally. Unfortunately America's responses to them are to Americanise them but that just makes things worse yet at the same time someone needs to step in. A cunundrum

Baz · 20th October 2004, 03:02 PM

aye, tricky one. i`d have to disagree tho.
i think they are probably against a lot of causes that i am. in that i do not want to see a world further dominated by multinationals and american corporations. but there are certain ways to go about prompting change and they are never gonna succeed with warmongering tactics.

i do still think that globalisation is one of the biggest threats to modern civilization right now.

: : Scott : : · 20th October 2004, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baz

ayi do still think that globalisation is one of the biggest threats to modern civilization right now.

Why?

Seriously, I don't see how globalisation is wrong in itself, and I'm kinda interested in what others think.

AlanG · 21st October 2004, 08:34 AM

Because it is resulting in identikit cities, what is there on Dundee high street that you wont see in Edinburgh, Glasgow, London, New York?

Do a google search on Wal Mart and try adn find some sites with opposing views for the most stark example of the negative effects.

Baz · 21st October 2004, 10:50 AM

what he said

globalization is argued to be beneficial to the greater cause, but in harsh reality the only winners are the corporations getting more buisness, tearing up third world countries to build factories and exploit cheap labour. the rich get richer, the workers are as good as slaves and the poor are left with even less. and for what? so you can buy a pair of nikes anywhere in the world as they would wish?

and it is gonna happen as mankind is FAR too stupid to be able to choose for himself

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18th October 2004, 04:41 PM	#3 (permalink)
AlanG ModSword +5 of Editing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dundee Posts: 3,429	agree with KJ, they are not anti-globalisation, they are anti-western globalisation

19th October 2004, 04:22 PM	#4 (permalink)
spam_javelin Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Above Mcgee's, Byres Rd, Glasgow \m/, Posts: 192	But being anti western globalisation IS being anti globalisation surely? Nearly all globalisation could be associated with western (or more specifically American) Imperialism.

19th October 2004, 04:59 PM	#5 (permalink)
Rebelius Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 7,220	globalisation n : growth to a global or worldwide scale

19th October 2004, 06:03 PM	#6 (permalink)
spam_javelin Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Above Mcgee's, Byres Rd, Glasgow \m/, Posts: 192	But peoples meaning of globalisation is always gonna be different. i think this is the definition i agree with most: "GLOBALISATION CAN THUS BE DEFINED AS THE INTENSIFICATION OF WORLDWIDE SOCIAL RELATIONS WHICH LINK DISTANT LOCALTIES IN SUCH A WAY THAT LOCAL HAPPENINGS ARE SHAPED BY EVENTS OCCURRING MANY MILES AWAY AND VICE VERSA."

20th October 2004, 09:16 AM	#7 (permalink)
AlanG ModSword +5 of Editing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dundee Posts: 3,429	they are anti-western dominated globalisation: they dont want an America/american corporation dominated world they are pro-globalisation: they want a worldwide Islamic totalitarian theocracy under Islamic law most of the "anti-globalisation" demonstrators arent against globalisation per-se just the way it is happenning and the exploitation that is happenning along with it and the dominance of the multinationals.

20th October 2004, 03:02 PM	#9 (permalink)
Baz Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dundee Posts: 4,787 Band: 15 Minutes	aye, tricky one. i`d have to disagree tho. i think they are probably against a lot of causes that i am. in that i do not want to see a world further dominated by multinationals and american corporations. but there are certain ways to go about prompting change and they are never gonna succeed with warmongering tactics. i do still think that globalisation is one of the biggest threats to modern civilization right now.

21st October 2004, 08:34 AM	#11 (permalink)
AlanG ModSword +5 of Editing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dundee Posts: 3,429	Because it is resulting in identikit cities, what is there on Dundee high street that you wont see in Edinburgh, Glasgow, London, New York? Do a google search on Wal Mart and try adn find some sites with opposing views for the most stark example of the negative effects.

21st October 2004, 10:50 AM	#12 (permalink)
Baz Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dundee Posts: 4,787 Band: 15 Minutes	what he said globalization is argued to be beneficial to the greater cause, but in harsh reality the only winners are the corporations getting more buisness, tearing up third world countries to build factories and exploit cheap labour. the rich get richer, the workers are as good as slaves and the poor are left with even less. and for what? so you can buy a pair of nikes anywhere in the world as they would wish? and it is gonna happen as mankind is FAR too stupid to be able to choose for himself