More Black Watch deaths

AlanG · 4th November 2004, 06:28 PM

BBC

Looks to be three dead and several injured. Surely they can come home seeing as theyve did their job of being cannon-fodder to get Bush re-elected?

All_in_black · 4th November 2004, 07:24 PM

To be fair, they're doing their jobs right now - their job is to go where they are told.

Still sucks though.

Action_Donkwaa · 5th November 2004, 12:35 AM

yeah, at the risk of sounding very harshly right-wing, these guys are in the army, yes i disagreed with the war, and yes its a tradgedy when any soldier dies but their jobs are to fight wars, and i do find it slightly hypocritical that people are complaining that the black watch have been called up, why should it only be american soldiers in the danger areas? we've been up americas ass all through this war anyway...

preparing for bad rep...

AlanG · 5th November 2004, 10:06 AM

Because theyve already did the tours they were originally expected to do.

Also theyev moved into a more dangerous area purely so the US can move soldiers to attack a city...

seonaid · 7th November 2004, 12:22 PM

someone i was at school with was amongst the three killed on friday

am totally fucked

and hasn't really sunk in

trickyvicki · 8th November 2004, 12:30 PM

I am following the Black Watch really quite closely just now cause I have someone I am very close to (he actually had his picture in Saturday's courier, he was the guy in the bottom left hand picture on the front page!!) who is among those who have been deployed to Camp Dogwood.

It made me very sad to hear Blair's decision to deploy them to there but at the end of the day my mate decided to join the army and it is his job to do what he is told to do wither he agrees with the decision or not (and us for that matter).

My heart skips a beat everytime I hear of a death or even injuries in the Black Watch, it is the time when you don't know who is concerned, which is the worst. It is a relief to find out he is alright. It sounds terrible and I feel terrible when I find it a relief when I find out that he is alright, when someone else has a son/brother/dad/friend etc who is in a serious condition or even worse has been killed. My heart goes out to them and their families who, I can only imagine, are going through a terrible time.

The whole situation really does sadden me but like I said the boys that are over there are doing the job which they choose and signed up to do, so they just have to get on and do it.

It is just a case of waiting now, until blair decides to pull the Black Watch out, and hoping for the best. I will always get really worried though everytime I hear of injuries and death until I know the Black Watch are home and safe

trickyvicki · 8th November 2004, 12:36 PM

Here are a couple of sites people may find useful as well:

Official MOD page giving news on Operation Telic (Iraq)

Send dedications, through the radio, to those you know in Iraq

follow the above shortcut then select “Dedications” then select “Iraq”

azpazzagus · 8th November 2004, 12:39 PM

vicki i know what u mean my dad is in iraq at teh mo and everytime someone mentions a death there i get a fright

Rebelius · 8th November 2004, 04:23 PM

My next door neighbour was there (Basra) in the summer but thankfully he's at home just now.

trickyvicki · 8th November 2004, 05:34 PM

Well my mate was supposed to be home at the end of october but now he doesn't have a clue when he will get back, they have not been given a date yet and even if they do get a date I don't know how much they will trust in it due to it getting canceled and them getting moved like what just happened

All_in_black · 8th November 2004, 05:40 PM

Tony Blair - "They will be home by christmas."

....where have I heard that before?

trickyvicki · 8th November 2004, 05:51 PM

Yeah thats why I am not holding my breath, Tony Blairs promises don't generally mean that much. I really do hope they are back in time for christmas, though I think it is just be a case of waiting and hoping that they get back in time and that they are alright!!

WATCHO!! · 9th November 2004, 12:21 AM

my mates brother is out there at the mo and the deaths on the news are freaking me out so god knows how he's feeling. been told he wont be seeing his brother back for christmas

Going Gone · 9th November 2004, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by punkrockstu

been told he wont be seeing his brother back for christmas

Lol even though Tony Blair promised they'd bring them back for Christmas. Fuck the war

AlanG · 9th November 2004, 04:04 PM

' IF TONY BLAIR HAD THE BALLS TO WALK DOWN MY STREET I'D RUN OUT WITH MY LITTLE BROTHER AND WE'D KNOCK HIM OUT ' Nov 6 2004

PRIVATE CRAIG LOWE YESTERDAY; FURY OF SERVING SOLDIER OVER DEATH OF HIS BLACK WATCH BROTHER PAUL

By James Moncur

THE brother of a fallen Black Watch soldier yesterday vowed to 'knock out' Prime Minister Tony Blair if he ever saw him.

Furious Craig Lowe blamed the Government for the death of his brother Paul, 19, and two comrades near Fallujah, Iraq, on Thursday.

A serving Black Watch soldier, Craig, 18, said: 'If Tony Blair had the balls to walk down my street, I'd run out with my little brother Stuart and we'd knock him out.

'We wouldn't hesitate.'

He added: 'Blair sent us in to do the Americans' dirty work in a war we shouldn't be fighting.'

Private Lowe, Sergeant Stuart Gray, 31, and Private Scott McArdle, 22, all from Fife, were killed by a suicide bomb at a checkpoint Scott was a rifleman in the elite reconnaissance troop.

Last night, his uncle, Martin McArdle, attacked Blair for sending troops into a 'death trap', adding: 'We are devastated. You never think it's going to happen to your own until it does.'

Sergeant Gray, of the mortar platoon, leaves a wife, Wendy, and children, Kirstin, 12, and Darren, 10.

Yesterday, callous Defence Secretary Geoff Hoon claimed the anger of Black Watch families was 'unjustified'.

His comment during a radio interview sparked fury - and his aides quickly tried to backtrack.

4th November 2004, 06:28 PM	#1 (permalink)
AlanG ModSword +5 of Editing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dundee Posts: 3,429	More Black Watch deaths BBC Looks to be three dead and several injured. Surely they can come home seeing as theyve did their job of being cannon-fodder to get Bush re-elected?

4th November 2004, 07:24 PM	#2 (permalink)
All_in_black Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kirriemuir Posts: 1,873	To be fair, they're doing their jobs right now - their job is to go where they are told. Still sucks though.

5th November 2004, 12:35 AM	#3 (permalink)
Action_Donkwaa Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dundee Posts: 753 Band: Cole Appleyard	yeah, at the risk of sounding very harshly right-wing, these guys are in the army, yes i disagreed with the war, and yes its a tradgedy when any soldier dies but their jobs are to fight wars, and i do find it slightly hypocritical that people are complaining that the black watch have been called up, why should it only be american soldiers in the danger areas? we've been up americas ass all through this war anyway... preparing for bad rep...

5th November 2004, 10:06 AM	#4 (permalink)
AlanG ModSword +5 of Editing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dundee Posts: 3,429	Because theyve already did the tours they were originally expected to do. Also theyev moved into a more dangerous area purely so the US can move soldiers to attack a city...

7th November 2004, 12:22 PM	#5 (permalink)
seonaid Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: dundee Posts: 593	someone i was at school with was amongst the three killed on friday am totally fucked and hasn't really sunk in

8th November 2004, 12:30 PM	#6 (permalink)
trickyvicki Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: dundee Posts: 1,544	I am following the Black Watch really quite closely just now cause I have someone I am very close to (he actually had his picture in Saturday's courier, he was the guy in the bottom left hand picture on the front page!!) who is among those who have been deployed to Camp Dogwood. It made me very sad to hear Blair's decision to deploy them to there but at the end of the day my mate decided to join the army and it is his job to do what he is told to do wither he agrees with the decision or not (and us for that matter). My heart skips a beat everytime I hear of a death or even injuries in the Black Watch, it is the time when you don't know who is concerned, which is the worst. It is a relief to find out he is alright. It sounds terrible and I feel terrible when I find it a relief when I find out that he is alright, when someone else has a son/brother/dad/friend etc who is in a serious condition or even worse has been killed. My heart goes out to them and their families who, I can only imagine, are going through a terrible time. The whole situation really does sadden me but like I said the boys that are over there are doing the job which they choose and signed up to do, so they just have to get on and do it. It is just a case of waiting now, until blair decides to pull the Black Watch out, and hoping for the best. I will always get really worried though everytime I hear of injuries and death until I know the Black Watch are home and safe

8th November 2004, 12:36 PM	#7 (permalink)
trickyvicki Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: dundee Posts: 1,544	Here are a couple of sites people may find useful as well: Official MOD page giving news on Operation Telic (Iraq) Send dedications, through the radio, to those you know in Iraq follow the above shortcut then select “Dedications” then select “Iraq”

8th November 2004, 12:39 PM	#8 (permalink)
azpazzagus la Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: dundee Posts: 1,806 Band: i used to play cello for the a forest	vicki i know what u mean my dad is in iraq at teh mo and everytime someone mentions a death there i get a fright

8th November 2004, 04:23 PM	#9 (permalink)
Rebelius Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 7,220	My next door neighbour was there (Basra) in the summer but thankfully he's at home just now.

8th November 2004, 05:34 PM	#10 (permalink)
trickyvicki Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: dundee Posts: 1,544	Well my mate was supposed to be home at the end of october but now he doesn't have a clue when he will get back, they have not been given a date yet and even if they do get a date I don't know how much they will trust in it due to it getting canceled and them getting moved like what just happened

8th November 2004, 05:40 PM	#11 (permalink)
All_in_black Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kirriemuir Posts: 1,873	Tony Blair - "They will be home by christmas." ....where have I heard that before?

8th November 2004, 05:51 PM	#12 (permalink)
trickyvicki Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: dundee Posts: 1,544	Yeah thats why I am not holding my breath, Tony Blairs promises don't generally mean that much. I really do hope they are back in time for christmas, though I think it is just be a case of waiting and hoping that they get back in time and that they are alright!!

9th November 2004, 12:21 AM	#13 (permalink)
WATCHO!! Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Blairgowrie Posts: 1,929 Band: Spengler	my mates brother is out there at the mo and the deaths on the news are freaking me out so god knows how he's feeling. been told he wont be seeing his brother back for christmas

9th November 2004, 04:04 PM	#15 (permalink)
AlanG ModSword +5 of Editing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dundee Posts: 3,429	' IF TONY BLAIR HAD THE BALLS TO WALK DOWN MY STREET I'D RUN OUT WITH MY LITTLE BROTHER AND WE'D KNOCK HIM OUT ' Nov 6 2004 PRIVATE CRAIG LOWE YESTERDAY; FURY OF SERVING SOLDIER OVER DEATH OF HIS BLACK WATCH BROTHER PAUL By James Moncur THE brother of a fallen Black Watch soldier yesterday vowed to 'knock out' Prime Minister Tony Blair if he ever saw him. Furious Craig Lowe blamed the Government for the death of his brother Paul, 19, and two comrades near Fallujah, Iraq, on Thursday. A serving Black Watch soldier, Craig, 18, said: 'If Tony Blair had the balls to walk down my street, I'd run out with my little brother Stuart and we'd knock him out. 'We wouldn't hesitate.' He added: 'Blair sent us in to do the Americans' dirty work in a war we shouldn't be fighting.' Private Lowe, Sergeant Stuart Gray, 31, and Private Scott McArdle, 22, all from Fife, were killed by a suicide bomb at a checkpoint Scott was a rifleman in the elite reconnaissance troop. Last night, his uncle, Martin McArdle, attacked Blair for sending troops into a 'death trap', adding: 'We are devastated. You never think it's going to happen to your own until it does.' Sergeant Gray, of the mortar platoon, leaves a wife, Wendy, and children, Kirstin, 12, and Darren, 10. Yesterday, callous Defence Secretary Geoff Hoon claimed the anger of Black Watch families was 'unjustified'. His comment during a radio interview sparked fury - and his aides quickly tried to backtrack.