Tommy resigns as leader of SSP

grigorip · 11th November 2004, 01:29 AM

oh dear

or oh yeh...

i dont know... this could be a good thing... the SSP is a weak party... they throw fmembership forms at anyone who goes near a protest and as a result their messages end up diluted

Rosco the magnificent · 11th November 2004, 02:59 AM

I saw Tommy the other day on the subway-looked like one stressed oompa-loompa.

Action_Donkwaa · 12th November 2004, 01:23 AM

was he as bright orange as usual? too many sunbeds sir...

na seriously though, i don't think this is a bad thing for the SSP, personally, despite having leanings which would tend to put me further left than Labour (probably in the cliched 'Old Labour' camp) i would love to sympathise with the SSP but have personally always seen them as a bit of a joke, and a wee bit removed from reality.

maybe im too sceptical.

but i think a new leader may give them a bit of a new lease of life.

probably not though.

im way to tired, probably posting shit now, sorry!

AlanG · 12th November 2004, 01:53 PM

tbh Ive been expecting this for a while (just reading all the gossip just now too)

for the SSP, like I say when it broke that Gail was preggers I expected him to resign then. Hes always said to her being convener means he has to be away a lot so this way he can concentrate on being a dad rather than a 24/7 politician, which he has been for 20odd years.

As for the timing now: the convener role is elected every year and the closing date for contenders is a few days time I think(possibly saturday), so waiting til the birth means there would be an interim leader til the next conference. By resigning now it means everyone knows hes not going for the rols so leaves the field open to others instead of anyone who may want the role thinking "cant run against tommy"

if anything, hopefully it will kill the medias idea that the ssp are a "one man band" even though theres been other msps for over a year...

TheSombreroKid · 12th November 2004, 02:12 PM

thank fucking god at this, maybe now the SSP can get some credibility and maybe now they'll get serious & try and actually compete for votes, i'm sure i'll vote for them now, before i wouldn't have

CAiRNS · 14th November 2004, 10:57 PM

This could be a real chance for the SSP to move forward and gain some real credibility.

I doubt that will happen if Rosie Kane becomes leader though.

Highlander · 15th November 2004, 05:35 PM

The SSP will hardly be competing any future elections unless their Members dig them out of the £200,000 debt they created as a result of the European Elections. If the SSP cannot handle their money sensibly, they'll not be a reliable choice for the average tax-paying punter on the street.

AlanG · 15th November 2004, 06:12 PM

ah thought there was a thread on this before but there wasnt:

SSP debt -reported 100k, actual 100k + mortgage

the new office was recently bought so once this is cleared it becomes an asset adn should not be included on the debt.

The reason for the debt is an expansion in full timers, the money gap per month is being plugged and is expected to be breaking even by february and then going into starting to climb back from then.

the debt is the "national debt", the regions and branches each have their own surplusses seperate from the shared pool. The money for the election campaigns is completely seperate and raised at the time of elections. i.e. money raised for general election campaigning will be used for that purpose and not affect the debt at all.

for comparison it should be noted that 100-200k (whichever yo choose to believe to be true) is nothing compared to the tory/lab/lib dem debt who also get major backing to the tune of millions per year from massive companies and rich individuals. Parties like the SSP, greens and even the BNP are far far better at handling their cash than the largest parties, because they are used to relying on money only coming in from subs paying members and small donations/publications payments.

bobby · 15th November 2004, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grigorip

oh dear

or oh yeh...

i dont know... this could be a good thing... the SSP is a weak party... they throw fmembership forms at anyone who goes near a protest and as a result their messages end up diluted

Does this resignation mean the Socialists are now going to become some kind of credible party? Or attempt to, should I say...

grigorip · 16th November 2004, 01:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobby

Does this resignation mean the Socialists are now going to become some kind of credible party? Or attempt to, should I say...

i dont really see how they werent a creditable party

i can see that they can draw stregnth though from not being seen as a one man band

but please... you dont understand the party or how it works.. inside the party it really isnt a one man band... its just its generally only his face in the papers or on the telly

AlanG · 16th November 2004, 11:05 AM

the post of convener which he held was one made up with no power to it at all purely because the media dont understand the concept of not having one leader.

this role is elected every year but due to having the highest media profile he has held it since the parties creation, as thats the point of the convener - to be the face/soundclip for the media

the "leadership" of the party is a 19person excutive elected every year at conference.

Rosco the magnificent · 16th November 2004, 12:08 PM

Even though i don't really agree with a lot of SSP policies, i had a lot of time and respect for him, so i'm not sure whether this would be a good thing. Imagine if Rosie Kane became leader. Jesus.

Roselay · 16th November 2004, 09:06 PM

he didnt resign just because of gail being pregnant..theres been accusations and i dont know what they are..anyone know?

Loosea · 16th November 2004, 10:56 PM

some sex scandals i believe. to be honest everyone seems to be involved in these so called "scandals" these days, the sun etc need to find new rumours to make up. in my opinion.

11th November 2004, 01:29 AM	#1 (permalink)
grigorip kipper family Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: cuparfife,but,tis-notmyfavoriteplacetobe.hm Posts: 2,154	Tommy resigns as leader of SSP oh dear or oh yeh... i dont know... this could be a good thing... the SSP is a weak party... they throw fmembership forms at anyone who goes near a protest and as a result their messages end up diluted

12th November 2004, 01:53 PM	#4 (permalink)
AlanG ModSword +5 of Editing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dundee Posts: 3,412	tbh Ive been expecting this for a while (just reading all the gossip just now too) for the SSP, like I say when it broke that Gail was preggers I expected him to resign then. Hes always said to her being convener means he has to be away a lot so this way he can concentrate on being a dad rather than a 24/7 politician, which he has been for 20odd years. As for the timing now: the convener role is elected every year and the closing date for contenders is a few days time I think(possibly saturday), so waiting til the birth means there would be an interim leader til the next conference. By resigning now it means everyone knows hes not going for the rols so leaves the field open to others instead of anyone who may want the role thinking "cant run against tommy" if anything, hopefully it will kill the medias idea that the ssp are a "one man band" even though theres been other msps for over a year... Last edited by AlanG : 12th November 2004 at 04:49 PM.

16th November 2004, 11:05 AM	#11 (permalink)
AlanG ModSword +5 of Editing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dundee Posts: 3,412	the post of convener which he held was one made up with no power to it at all purely because the media dont understand the concept of not having one leader. this role is elected every year but due to having the highest media profile he has held it since the parties creation, as thats the point of the convener - to be the face/soundclip for the media the "leadership" of the party is a 19person excutive elected every year at conference. Last edited by AlanG : 16th November 2004 at 11:26 AM.

11th November 2004, 02:59 AM	#2 (permalink)
Rosco the magnificent ping-pong Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Lenzieshire (for a little while) Posts: 4,143 Band: My Own Religion	I saw Tommy the other day on the subway-looked like one stressed oompa-loompa.

12th November 2004, 01:23 AM	#3 (permalink)
Action_Donkwaa Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dundee Posts: 751 Band: Cole Appleyard	was he as bright orange as usual? too many sunbeds sir... na seriously though, i don't think this is a bad thing for the SSP, personally, despite having leanings which would tend to put me further left than Labour (probably in the cliched 'Old Labour' camp) i would love to sympathise with the SSP but have personally always seen them as a bit of a joke, and a wee bit removed from reality. maybe im too sceptical. but i think a new leader may give them a bit of a new lease of life. probably not though. im way to tired, probably posting shit now, sorry!

12th November 2004, 02:12 PM	#5 (permalink)
TheSombreroKid Dun Dun Dun Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Dundee Posts: 1,086	thank fucking god at this, maybe now the SSP can get some credibility and maybe now they'll get serious & try and actually compete for votes, i'm sure i'll vote for them now, before i wouldn't have

14th November 2004, 10:57 PM	#6 (permalink)
CAiRNS Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6	This could be a real chance for the SSP to move forward and gain some real credibility. I doubt that will happen if Rosie Kane becomes leader though.

15th November 2004, 05:35 PM	#7 (permalink)
Highlander Nice to see you... Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bonnie Scotland Posts: 297	The SSP will hardly be competing any future elections unless their Members dig them out of the £200,000 debt they created as a result of the European Elections. If the SSP cannot handle their money sensibly, they'll not be a reliable choice for the average tax-paying punter on the street.

15th November 2004, 06:12 PM	#8 (permalink)
AlanG ModSword +5 of Editing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dundee Posts: 3,412	ah thought there was a thread on this before but there wasnt: SSP debt -reported 100k, actual 100k + mortgage the new office was recently bought so once this is cleared it becomes an asset adn should not be included on the debt. The reason for the debt is an expansion in full timers, the money gap per month is being plugged and is expected to be breaking even by february and then going into starting to climb back from then. the debt is the "national debt", the regions and branches each have their own surplusses seperate from the shared pool. The money for the election campaigns is completely seperate and raised at the time of elections. i.e. money raised for general election campaigning will be used for that purpose and not affect the debt at all. for comparison it should be noted that 100-200k (whichever yo choose to believe to be true) is nothing compared to the tory/lab/lib dem debt who also get major backing to the tune of millions per year from massive companies and rich individuals. Parties like the SSP, greens and even the BNP are far far better at handling their cash than the largest parties, because they are used to relying on money only coming in from subs paying members and small donations/publications payments.

16th November 2004, 12:08 PM	#12 (permalink)
Rosco the magnificent ping-pong Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Lenzieshire (for a little while) Posts: 4,143 Band: My Own Religion	Even though i don't really agree with a lot of SSP policies, i had a lot of time and respect for him, so i'm not sure whether this would be a good thing. Imagine if Rosie Kane became leader. Jesus.

16th November 2004, 09:06 PM	#13 (permalink)
Roselay Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Cuparish Posts: 370	he didnt resign just because of gail being pregnant..theres been accusations and i dont know what they are..anyone know?

16th November 2004, 10:56 PM	#14 (permalink)
Loosea Lawless Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Location: Location Posts: 383	some sex scandals i believe. to be honest everyone seems to be involved in these so called "scandals" these days, the sun etc need to find new rumours to make up. in my opinion.