Book analysing the war on terror, chomsky etc

AlanG · 4th July 2005, 03:39 PM

I was at one of the G8Alternatives plenaries on Sunday entitled according to program:

Reclaim the Peoples Security - Civil Liberties and the Global Security State

there were speakers from the ex president of the Muslim Association of Britain, CAMPACC (campaign against criminalising communities and statewatch/liberty

I managed to get some copies of a book published by CAMPACC - details here

A Permanent State of Terror?

Published by CAMPACC
in association with Index on Censorship

If you were to believe the newspaper headlines the threat from terrorism is getting greater every day. Both police and politicians in the UK have even said that it is only a matter of time before the country is faced with a major attack.

But is the threat a reality? Is it any more real than the WMD in Iraq? Is Al-Qaeda operating on our doorstep? Or does talking up such dangers serve some sinister political purpose? What are the real reasons for the suspension of civil liberties and the introduction of a “state of emergency”? Who benefits, apart, for example, from the intelligence services and arms manufacturers?

It is clear that the distinction between legitimate protest and indiscriminate violence is now seriously blurred by current political discussions. Recent legislation like the Terrorism Act 2000 and the laws rushed through Parliament in the aftermath of 11 September have not only fostered a climate of fear but also criminalised minority communities, largely made up of asylum seekers and political refugees.

CAMPACC has been trying to resist this for the last two years.

A Permanent State of Terror, published by CAMPACC in association with Index on Censorship is both a record of the campaign so far and a serious attempt to analyse what is really happening.

Contributors include: Noam Chomsky, John Pilger, Mark Thomas, Liz Fekete, Tony Benn, Gareth Peirce, Louise Christian, Liz Davies, Frances Webber, James Kelman, Harold Pinter, Conor Gearty and others.

-------------------------

They are priced £4.50 (for 170 pages - 35 articles/essays) each with all cash going to CAMPACC. Contact me if interested.

Just thought we havent had a discussion on the powers of the terrorism act for a while and given the chances of it being used (abused!) on Wednesday its a good chance to throw it out there and plug the book.

Baz · 4th July 2005, 03:51 PM

i`ll take one Alan, sounds like a good read

Afro Joe · 4th July 2005, 05:32 PM

i'll have one too please.

AlanG · 5th July 2005, 10:04 AM

Excellent, thatll be them all gone already then!!

I'll contact the group to pass on cash once youve got them off me and get some more ordered.

Ive started reading it this morning and its pretty damn good. Lots of stuff about the Kurdish situation. Chomskys chapter is fantastic, pretty much same vein as his talk at Edinburgh.

p.m. me with when you are free on Thurs onwards and mobile numbers or whatever

The other two people I sold to are on UGS too so maybe it can be the first official book club thread!

AlanG · 9th July 2005, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan G

If you were to believe the newspaper headlines the threat from terrorism is getting greater every day. Both police and politicians in the UK have even said that it is only a matter of time before the country is faced with a major attack.

I sure picked the wrong fucking week to copy the blurb from the back of that book didnt I?

that said it seems more relevent than ever

How about we wait a while (a week or so) to see what kind of political response there will be to the tragic events in London and have a discussion about the anti-terror laws, war on terror and proposed new policies if they are announced by then

grigorip · 11th July 2005, 12:57 AM

May I have one please.

Once, I went to an SSP meeting and there was a live video link to Noam himself.

Braw.

AlanG · 11th July 2005, 11:00 AM

yeah sure, Ill need to contact them and order some more though so it may take a few days.

grigorip · 11th July 2005, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan G

yeah sure, Ill need to contact them and order some more though so it may take a few days.

s'all good.

do you know who I am?

A meeting shall have to be arrangedyespleease.

AlanG · 11th July 2005, 01:23 PM

Well when i get more you can pm me time/place to meet.

Still to arrange with Don when to meet (my fault not Don) depending on when Im free this week)

ive emailed them requesting more as well as leaflets/pamphlets etc. I assume theyll be slightly hectic with the stuff over the past week or so, so it may not be immediate.

Caliban · 13th July 2005, 11:44 AM

You do realise that for someone who deals in the value of 'truth' and hegemony, Chomskey has been widly criticised for presenting 'expert' quotes as gospel? His works have, in recent years, been removed from the core reading for many university course due to his unfounded, vauge and knee-jerk criticisms. Some may say just like Klien he is merely writing what the kids want to hear.

I don't want another copy.

4th July 2005, 03:39 PM	#1 (permalink)
AlanG ModSword +5 of Editing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dundee Posts: 3,429	Book analysing the war on terror, chomsky etc I was at one of the G8Alternatives plenaries on Sunday entitled according to program: Reclaim the Peoples Security - Civil Liberties and the Global Security State there were speakers from the ex president of the Muslim Association of Britain, CAMPACC (campaign against criminalising communities and statewatch/liberty I managed to get some copies of a book published by CAMPACC - details here A Permanent State of Terror? Published by CAMPACC in association with Index on Censorship If you were to believe the newspaper headlines the threat from terrorism is getting greater every day. Both police and politicians in the UK have even said that it is only a matter of time before the country is faced with a major attack. But is the threat a reality? Is it any more real than the WMD in Iraq? Is Al-Qaeda operating on our doorstep? Or does talking up such dangers serve some sinister political purpose? What are the real reasons for the suspension of civil liberties and the introduction of a “state of emergency”? Who benefits, apart, for example, from the intelligence services and arms manufacturers? It is clear that the distinction between legitimate protest and indiscriminate violence is now seriously blurred by current political discussions. Recent legislation like the Terrorism Act 2000 and the laws rushed through Parliament in the aftermath of 11 September have not only fostered a climate of fear but also criminalised minority communities, largely made up of asylum seekers and political refugees. CAMPACC has been trying to resist this for the last two years. A Permanent State of Terror, published by CAMPACC in association with Index on Censorship is both a record of the campaign so far and a serious attempt to analyse what is really happening. Contributors include: Noam Chomsky, John Pilger, Mark Thomas, Liz Fekete, Tony Benn, Gareth Peirce, Louise Christian, Liz Davies, Frances Webber, James Kelman, Harold Pinter, Conor Gearty and others. ------------------------- They are priced £4.50 (for 170 pages - 35 articles/essays) each with all cash going to CAMPACC. Contact me if interested. Just thought we havent had a discussion on the powers of the terrorism act for a while and given the chances of it being used (abused!) on Wednesday its a good chance to throw it out there and plug the book. __________________ Ernie Ross - "I'm not a rent-a-quote MP" 10 Sep 04 Ernie Ross being a rent-a-quote MP 23 Jul 04

5th July 2005, 10:04 AM	#4 (permalink)
AlanG ModSword +5 of Editing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dundee Posts: 3,429	Excellent, thatll be them all gone already then!! I'll contact the group to pass on cash once youve got them off me and get some more ordered. Ive started reading it this morning and its pretty damn good. Lots of stuff about the Kurdish situation. Chomskys chapter is fantastic, pretty much same vein as his talk at Edinburgh. p.m. me with when you are free on Thurs onwards and mobile numbers or whatever The other two people I sold to are on UGS too so maybe it can be the first official book club thread! __________________ Ernie Ross - "I'm not a rent-a-quote MP" 10 Sep 04 Ernie Ross being a rent-a-quote MP 23 Jul 04

11th July 2005, 11:00 AM	#7 (permalink)
AlanG ModSword +5 of Editing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dundee Posts: 3,429	yeah sure, Ill need to contact them and order some more though so it may take a few days. __________________ Ernie Ross - "I'm not a rent-a-quote MP" 10 Sep 04 Ernie Ross being a rent-a-quote MP 23 Jul 04

11th July 2005, 01:23 PM	#9 (permalink)
AlanG ModSword +5 of Editing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dundee Posts: 3,429	Well when i get more you can pm me time/place to meet. Still to arrange with Don when to meet (my fault not Don) depending on when Im free this week) ive emailed them requesting more as well as leaflets/pamphlets etc. I assume theyll be slightly hectic with the stuff over the past week or so, so it may not be immediate. __________________ Ernie Ross - "I'm not a rent-a-quote MP" 10 Sep 04 Ernie Ross being a rent-a-quote MP 23 Jul 04

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4th July 2005, 03:51 PM	#2 (permalink)
Baz Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dundee Posts: 4,787 Band: 15 Minutes	i`ll take one Alan, sounds like a good read

4th July 2005, 05:32 PM	#3 (permalink)
Afro Joe Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Glasgow Posts: 7,299	i'll have one too please.

11th July 2005, 12:57 AM	#6 (permalink)
grigorip kipper family Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: cuparfife,but,tis-notmyfavoriteplacetobe.hm Posts: 2,154	May I have one please. Once, I went to an SSP meeting and there was a live video link to Noam himself. Braw.

13th July 2005, 11:44 AM	#10 (permalink)
Caliban Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 61	You do realise that for someone who deals in the value of 'truth' and hegemony, Chomskey has been widly criticised for presenting 'expert' quotes as gospel? His works have, in recent years, been removed from the core reading for many university course due to his unfounded, vauge and knee-jerk criticisms. Some may say just like Klien he is merely writing what the kids want to hear. I don't want another copy.