Peace Ideas

Jay-Arsey · 27th March 2003, 09:49 AM

I have a few ideas on promoting the anti war movement.

Spray painting No War on anything and everything

Stick small stickers on all public property

Lay banners and wreaths in memorial areas commemerating the death of democracy.

Carry a mock coffin dressed in black through your town with a union jack and democracy written on it.

Do a die in, pretend to be dead in a public place (could bring chalk and outline yourself/friends)

Block roads at peak traffic hours (this is illegal)

Design large banners and hang them from bridges

Call your local MP and harrass him

I've done most of these in my area...good luck fellow peace activists

Jay-Arsey · 27th March 2003, 09:50 AM

An email I wrote to forward to all your friends if you want to let them know why the war is wrong.

With all this talk of war, many of us will encounter "War Mongerers", who will try to convince us that Saddam cannot be removed by any other means than bombing the cities in his country, taking out innocent peoples houses, and killing many civilians.
Apparently these War Mongerers believe that a simple sniper rifle during a speech, or SAS team at any time wouldnt take this man out. Maybe they believe that the bullet would simply bounce off him, with all the political scare mongering, im sure many easily influenced people now believe saddam hussain has the powers of superman and a nuclear bomb is his cryptonite.

Listen to these 'War Mongerers' and after they have finished getting angry and they face has gone from the colour of a water melon somehwere near a normal complexion, ask them for a simple reason why a war is nessisary, and why innocent civilians must die, rather than sending a team of highly trained men in to kill the leaders of the government.

Watch in awe as they struggle for words, as they choke back the propaganda thats been fed to them by the government. They may scream "Support out troops" in which case you can simply reply "Yes, I agree, Get them out of an unnecissary war".

As they stumble for an argument, they may well call you a "Saddam Lover" or "Terrorist supporter" since many of the War Mongerers do not understand that being against bombing cities full of people and flattening the houses of poor families, is not supporting terrorism. Supporting terrorism is allowed a dictator like Tony Blair, who is willing to go against his population to declare a war in the name of british people.
Then this dictator will combine with a man who asked his daddy to write a letter to get him out of the last war (George W. Bush) and they will spurt much rubbish such as "Support our Troops". Many will ponder why they are not leading their troops on the front line.

As democracy fades with each bomb dropped, as the population calms and accepts defeat against the dictator and terrorist running this country. Think and ask "Who is really supporting terror and a dictatorship?"

musink · 27th March 2003, 09:56 PM

Would this one SAS team take out Saddams generals, leaders of the Baath party, his sons etc..... If Saddam was assasinated it is likely there would be a military cou by one of his generals, which in every case leads to more blood shed than would be by this war.

Jay-Arsey · 27th March 2003, 10:16 PM

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Originally posted by musink
Would this one SAS team take out Saddams generals, leaders of the Baath party, his sons etc..... If Saddam was assasinated it is likely there would be a military cou by one of his generals, which in every case leads to more blood shed than would be by this war.

I think there are a few SAS teams, No matter how many it took, the idea behind the war is to take out the government, it would cause less casualities to do this by actually targetting them, not bombing cities.

musink · 27th March 2003, 10:22 PM

yeah your probably right.

America needs to bomb the fuck out of the place so that they can impose a leader (General Tommy Franks, thats a real Iraqi name isnt it), and help in the rebuilding the country, which will involve an American friendly infrastructure and the privatisation of Iraqs currently nationalised oil. This isnt some conspiracy theory, its hot from the New York Times.

musink · 27th March 2003, 10:38 PM

privatisation of oil means that the money made will go to fat white americans, not the Iraqi people.

remember behind Exxon and Texaco is BP and Shell.

And remember kiddies, dont pretend Blair is a poodle, this gives him some kind of distance from the imperialist movement and the death and destruction he is causing, Blair is Bush's attack dog

humndislocation · 27th March 2003, 10:45 PM

Depends what No war gets spray painted on. If it's getting spray painted on someone's house for example, as someone mentioned before, then that's just being a twat. It's not going to do the anti-war movement any good, if anything it's going to turn people against it.

Blocking roads... Personally, if someone stopped me going about my business to force whatever their current issue was down my throat, then I'd probably just start to advocate the opposite side of the argument of spite, but hey that's just me. A bit like what this page advocates for people bothered by militant vegetarians http://maddox.xmission.com/sponsor.html. (quality site by the way)

As for taking out Saddam with a sniper rifle, it's my understanding that Saddam has a lot of body doubles.
Even if you did take out Saddam, another member of the ruling party would just take over. Do you even know the logistics behind taking out Saddam with an S.A.S team, have you thought it out at all? Not criticising, just asking. It ain't like Schwarzenneger films you know, you can't just send one man, one bitter man pushed over the edge in to do one last mission. They took his family, and now he's going to take them down. Arnold Schwarzennger starring in... *ahem* anyway...

Jay-Arsey · 28th March 2003, 08:25 AM

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Originally posted by humndislocation
Depends what No war gets spray painted on. If it's getting spray painted on someone's house for example, as someone mentioned before, then that's just being a twat. It's not going to do the anti-war movement any good, if anything it's going to turn people against it.

Blocking roads... Personally, if someone stopped me going about my business to force whatever their current issue was down my throat, then I'd probably just start to advocate the opposite side of the argument of spite, but hey that's just me. A bit like what this page advocates for people bothered by militant vegetarians http://maddox.xmission.com/sponsor.html. (quality site by the way)

As for taking out Saddam with a sniper rifle, it's my understanding that Saddam has a lot of body doubles.
Even if you did take out Saddam, another member of the ruling party would just take over. Do you even know the logistics behind taking out Saddam with an S.A.S team, have you thought it out at all? Not criticising, just asking. It ain't like Schwarzenneger films you know, you can't just send one man, one bitter man pushed over the edge in to do one last mission. They took his family, and now he's going to take them down. Arnold Schwarzennger starring in... *ahem* anyway...

Im not into spray painting anything apart from public property (which in my opinion is a forum for public debate) I know it would be dificult to take him and the rest of his government out, but there isnt a way any1 can argue that its a better idea to bomb the cities and declare war on the country, to destroy people homes etc.
and Lol @ schwarznegger

humndislocation · 28th March 2003, 12:40 PM

I personally don't think there is a way to get rid of the current regime other than war. Even if you could get rid of Saddam, someone would just take his place. Even if you got rid of the entire baath party, I find it highly unlikely that the power vacuum would be filled by a democracy. It could even be an opportunity for a taliban style regime to rise to power, which would be a lot worse.

I'm not condoning war, but sometimes war is necessary to achieve certain ends. I'm not saying that this is necessarily a time when war is justified, but there are definately times when it is, world war two being a prime example. (not that I'm suggesting that this in any way compares to world war two, unlike some people)

Jay-Arsey · 28th March 2003, 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by humndislocation
I personally don't think there is a way to get rid of the current regime other than war. Even if you could get rid of Saddam, someone would just take his place. Even if you got rid of the entire baath party, I find it highly unlikely that the power vacuum would be filled by a democracy. It could even be an opportunity for a taliban style regime to rise to power, which would be a lot worse.

I'm not condoning war, but sometimes war is necessary to achieve certain ends. I'm not saying that this is necessarily a time when war is justified, but there are definately times when it is, world war two being a prime example. (not that I'm suggesting that this in any way compares to world war two, unlike some people)

I dotn see how war is any different, the idea being u remove the government. Unles su think only by crushing the population and turning them anti american they will some how come out democractic. Yes war was nessisary in world war 2 but Iraq pose no threat to our country. Only when another country poses a threat to own own do I condone war.

J

humndislocation · 28th March 2003, 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by Jay-Arsey
I dotn see how war is any different, the idea being u remove the government. Unles su think only by crushing the population and turning them anti american they will some how come out democractic.

Well to be honest I am extremely skeptical about democracy working in Iraq after the war. However, there simply is no other way to achieve democracy, unless the Iraqis overthrow Saddam themselves, which I find unlikely. The only way to create and protect the democracy in Iraq from those that would destroy it is sadly through the use of force.

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Yes war was nessisary in world war 2 but Iraq pose no threat to our country. Only when another country poses a threat to own own do I condone war.

J

I didn't say that this compares with the second world war, I find that arguement laughable. I was just saying that there are times when war is necessary.

musink · 30th March 2003, 03:56 PM

What has Saddam ever done to the Iraqi people anyway.

He gassed the Kurds, who America and Britain cant pretend to give a fuck about. Considering Turkeys (our supposed ally) abominable human rights record against them.

27th March 2003, 09:49 AM	#1 (permalink)
Jay-Arsey Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Midlands Posts: 108	Peace Ideas I have a few ideas on promoting the anti war movement. Spray painting No War on anything and everything Stick small stickers on all public property Lay banners and wreaths in memorial areas commemerating the death of democracy. Carry a mock coffin dressed in black through your town with a union jack and democracy written on it. Do a die in, pretend to be dead in a public place (could bring chalk and outline yourself/friends) Block roads at peak traffic hours (this is illegal) Design large banners and hang them from bridges Call your local MP and harrass him I've done most of these in my area...good luck fellow peace activists

27th March 2003, 10:45 PM	#7 (permalink)
humndislocation Hardcore is serious guys Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Dundee Posts: 5,933 Band: Blasphemous Necrorapist	Depends what No war gets spray painted on. If it's getting spray painted on someone's house for example, as someone mentioned before, then that's just being a twat. It's not going to do the anti-war movement any good, if anything it's going to turn people against it. Blocking roads... Personally, if someone stopped me going about my business to force whatever their current issue was down my throat, then I'd probably just start to advocate the opposite side of the argument of spite, but hey that's just me. A bit like what this page advocates for people bothered by militant vegetarians http://maddox.xmission.com/sponsor.html. (quality site by the way) As for taking out Saddam with a sniper rifle, it's my understanding that Saddam has a lot of body doubles. Even if you did take out Saddam, another member of the ruling party would just take over. Do you even know the logistics behind taking out Saddam with an S.A.S team, have you thought it out at all? Not criticising, just asking. It ain't like Schwarzenneger films you know, you can't just send one man, one bitter man pushed over the edge in to do one last mission. They took his family, and now he's going to take them down. Arnold Schwarzennger starring in... ahem anyway... Last edited by humndislocation : 27th March 2003 at 10:48 PM.

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27th March 2003, 09:50 AM	#2 (permalink)
Jay-Arsey Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Midlands Posts: 108	An email I wrote to forward to all your friends if you want to let them know why the war is wrong. With all this talk of war, many of us will encounter "War Mongerers", who will try to convince us that Saddam cannot be removed by any other means than bombing the cities in his country, taking out innocent peoples houses, and killing many civilians. Apparently these War Mongerers believe that a simple sniper rifle during a speech, or SAS team at any time wouldnt take this man out. Maybe they believe that the bullet would simply bounce off him, with all the political scare mongering, im sure many easily influenced people now believe saddam hussain has the powers of superman and a nuclear bomb is his cryptonite. Listen to these 'War Mongerers' and after they have finished getting angry and they face has gone from the colour of a water melon somehwere near a normal complexion, ask them for a simple reason why a war is nessisary, and why innocent civilians must die, rather than sending a team of highly trained men in to kill the leaders of the government. Watch in awe as they struggle for words, as they choke back the propaganda thats been fed to them by the government. They may scream "Support out troops" in which case you can simply reply "Yes, I agree, Get them out of an unnecissary war". As they stumble for an argument, they may well call you a "Saddam Lover" or "Terrorist supporter" since many of the War Mongerers do not understand that being against bombing cities full of people and flattening the houses of poor families, is not supporting terrorism. Supporting terrorism is allowed a dictator like Tony Blair, who is willing to go against his population to declare a war in the name of british people. Then this dictator will combine with a man who asked his daddy to write a letter to get him out of the last war (George W. Bush) and they will spurt much rubbish such as "Support our Troops". Many will ponder why they are not leading their troops on the front line. As democracy fades with each bomb dropped, as the population calms and accepts defeat against the dictator and terrorist running this country. Think and ask "Who is really supporting terror and a dictatorship?"

27th March 2003, 09:56 PM	#3 (permalink)
musink Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 62	Would this one SAS team take out Saddams generals, leaders of the Baath party, his sons etc..... If Saddam was assasinated it is likely there would be a military cou by one of his generals, which in every case leads to more blood shed than would be by this war.

27th March 2003, 10:22 PM	#5 (permalink)
musink Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 62	yeah your probably right. America needs to bomb the fuck out of the place so that they can impose a leader (General Tommy Franks, thats a real Iraqi name isnt it), and help in the rebuilding the country, which will involve an American friendly infrastructure and the privatisation of Iraqs currently nationalised oil. This isnt some conspiracy theory, its hot from the New York Times.

27th March 2003, 10:38 PM	#6 (permalink)
musink Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 62	privatisation of oil means that the money made will go to fat white americans, not the Iraqi people. remember behind Exxon and Texaco is BP and Shell. And remember kiddies, dont pretend Blair is a poodle, this gives him some kind of distance from the imperialist movement and the death and destruction he is causing, Blair is Bush's attack dog

28th March 2003, 12:40 PM	#9 (permalink)
humndislocation Hardcore is serious guys Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Dundee Posts: 5,933 Band: Blasphemous Necrorapist	I personally don't think there is a way to get rid of the current regime other than war. Even if you could get rid of Saddam, someone would just take his place. Even if you got rid of the entire baath party, I find it highly unlikely that the power vacuum would be filled by a democracy. It could even be an opportunity for a taliban style regime to rise to power, which would be a lot worse. I'm not condoning war, but sometimes war is necessary to achieve certain ends. I'm not saying that this is necessarily a time when war is justified, but there are definately times when it is, world war two being a prime example. (not that I'm suggesting that this in any way compares to world war two, unlike some people)

30th March 2003, 03:56 PM	#12 (permalink)
musink Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 62	What has Saddam ever done to the Iraqi people anyway. He gassed the Kurds, who America and Britain cant pretend to give a fuck about. Considering Turkeys (our supposed ally) abominable human rights record against them.