The Christ Child will kill us all!

[Darkyin]

And look what they did in there 200+ million years.
Fuck all!
Look what we have done! All the positive stuff we have done.
We always overcome, all but ourselves....oh so important caveat that one.

[krashd]

at the beginning of the 2nd world war earth had 2 billion people on it, it now has 6, that's a treble increase in just 65 years. this is quite scary when you think about it.

insects are relativiliy insignificant compared to mammals so they will thrive anywhere, 'tis why you'll find spiders, beetles and roaches etc on every continent (except antarctica possibly), but mammals on the other hand were given limits by nature to insure that they don't grow out of control. drought, famine, disease, subscepticle to hot, cool or cold environments, etc but humans have the ability to adapt. if we're hungry we farm our own food, if we move into a cold environment we make clothing. i don't think mother nature did much planning when it came to intelligence because the most intelligent species on earth is wiping out all the resources and multiplying rapidly. due to humans living close together the least overcame obstacle in our growth was disease with the bubonic plague, polio, tuberculosis, and countless other of mother natures fail-safe devices being her last attempt at slowing us, but we just cured them all. there's even talk of a pandemic in the next 2 years from bird flu, but we already have a working vaccine that is being produced and no doubt a cure will be discovered closer to the time for anyone not vaccinated who catches it.

the only reason cancer is the biggest killer is down to ourselves anyway, due to 100 years of electro-magnetic fields emanating from every device we use, chemicals in or on every single object we touch and an environment that's chock full of toxins, we've managed to knock out the P57 protein that has fended off damaged cells naturally for 100,000 years. that's why 1 in 3 people will get a cancer at some point.

i don't think mother nature will kill us, i reckon we'll end up doing it ourselves, as cancer will be cured someday but sterility won't and sterility levels have been dropping constantly for decades. in 100 years we'll all be sterile and just hanging around until we're extinct.

i'm usually quite an optimist too

[humndislocation]

Originally Posted by Pubic Wig

hahaahahahahahahahahahahaaaa!!! Im sure thats what the dinosaur said. lived on our planet for many millions of years, whereas our pathetic species has been walking on two legs for only a hundred thousand or so.

I ignored this statement when this thread was around originally, but I have to say, I really hope you were joking when you said this.

[Pubic Wig]

Originally Posted by humndislocation

I ignored this statement when this thread was around originally, but I have to say, I really hope you were joking when you said this.

yes and no. Mankind has not been around very long in the scale of things. Yes we have achived Space travel and sent a man on the moon. But whats to say we will colonise another planet in the near futre? I mean, really colonise a new world, not some 20 astronaughts living in an enclosed enviroment that isnt self sustained.
Any number of things could kill off our species, as you quite correctly said, it will probably end up being us. Climate change is too slow to do the job as we can adapt. Thats why man has progressed so far. Other species cannot adapt to the extent we have.

But despite all of this, i refuse to live my life in the fear of what nature may or may not do. Homo Spaian 'species' is very new on earth and in the end, we are organisms just like every other living creature that can go extinct. Just like the Dinosaur and many other species did and they were on the Earth faaaar longer than we have been.

Wooooooh....this has been a long post! Serious Discussion indeedy!

[humndislocation]

It was more the "I'm sure the dinosaurs said that too" thing, as if the fate of a unintelligent species that didn't develop any kind of technology has any kind of bearing on ours.

If civilisation doesn't get wiped out in the time in-between, I'd say it's pretty much a definite that there will be humans living on other planets in the next couple of hundred years. Mars and the moon at the very least.

The most advanced technology on the planet 1000 years ago was a sword.

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by humndislocation

If civilisation doesn't get wiped out in the time in-between, I'd say it's pretty much a definite that there will be humans living on other planets in the next couple of hundred years. Mars and the moon at the very least.

The most advanced technology on the planet 1000 years ago was a sword.

I agree that the possibility of developing the technology to allow humans to live on another planet in the future is very high, however I can't see how it will actually ever happen given the practicalities of it all.
So far we haven't found another planet with the right atmosphere for us, so it would need to be an enclosed environment, which is high risk as so many things could go wrong. Never mind the logistics of building something so large and detailed, and making sure there will never be one crack in the structure which could affect the air pressure and levels of gases with fatal consequences.
If we discover another planet with an atmosphere the same as ours then that changes everything, but personally I doubt that we will.

[humndislocation]

Yes but the scientists that say it is impossible to breathe in an atmosphere that lacks oxygen are always overlooking the facts because it doesn't fit with their research.

Their naturalist dogma is flawed! Never once in their research did they consider that there is a magical benevolent clown that wants humans to be able to breathe on other planets, and will use his magical powers to make this possible. They always come up with wild and wonderful explanations to explain away things that are really the work of the space clown, just so they can come up with an explanation that doesn't require a space clown.

Humans-need-oxygen-to-survive-ists should be aware that Humans-need-oxygen-to-survivism is a theory in decline, even top scientists are abandoning it!!! Also, it is only a theory, and we should be balanced and open to other theories, such as the space clown. Really, we should just teach both.

People claim that oxygen gets taken up into haemoglobin, but this is not true, because oxygen is still oxygen when its in haemoglobin, therefore we don't need oxygen to survive.

That human beings can't survive in an atmosphere that lacks oxygen is just another one of those "FACTS" that scientists are always telling us. Hahahaha I remember when they used to say that the earth was flat and teach that as a FACT!!! They are making things up as they go along!

also dark matter... Scientists come up with possible explanations for things, like dark matter before there is evidence. If they were doing the science properly, then they'd always know the right answer, and would always magically be able to postulate things that are true.


All hail boko the magical space clown.

May the holy flower that is attached to his waistcoat, that just looks like a flower, but actually he is just waiting for you to try to smell it, because there's actually a watergun in it, be blessed throughout the heavens.

May his blessed clown car streak across the heavens, creating new life, and also may the door of said blessed clown car fall off at regular intervals, bringing hilarity to the universe.

[humndislocation]

Originally Posted by freakonaleash

If we discover another planet with an atmosphere the same as ours then that changes everything, but personally I doubt that we will.

We wouldn't necessarily need to find a planet with the same atmosphere as our own. There's the possibility we could change the atmosphere for our own ends.

If I recall correctly, the earth didn't always have an atmosphere that would be breathable to humans. It's my understanding that the oxygen in the atmosphere is actually the result of lifeforms that use photosynthesis, taking in carbon dioxide and outputting oxygen.

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by humndislocation

We wouldn't necessarily need to find a planet with the same atmosphere as our own. There's the possibility we could change the atmosphere for our own ends.

If I recall correctly, the earth didn't always have an atmosphere that would be breathable to humans. It's my understanding that the oxygen in the atmosphere is actually the result of lifeforms that use photosynthesis, taking in carbon dioxide and outputting oxygen.

Yes that's true, any organism containing green chlorophyll will photosynthesise using sunlight and produce oxygen, as well as respire using oxygen.
However to introduce plants the planet's soil would need to be conducive with enough of it and containing all the right nutrients derived from millions of years of erosion of the correct kinds of rocks for healthy sustained growth. There would need to be enough water on the planet too, and a weather system like ours to recycle the water, and create a varied landscape and different climates.
The planet would also have to be the correct distance from a star for the right solar energy and gravitational field for plant and human existence, and an ozone layer to protect us from harmful UV rays.
Also we would have to ensure there are no organisms already present that could wipe us out completely as a species.
And of course we will need the technology to travel to it safely with all the necessary supplies, and as a race overcome the complicated politics of who funds the process and goes there.
With all these factors present (and probably others that I haven't thought of) then I agree, we could change the atmosphere by introducing plants and eventually colonise it, which would be awesome
However the chances of all favourable factors being present are very small indeed.

[RiseAgainst]

itd be interesting to see what killed more, natural disaster or war.

personally i think war is more likely to kill us all rather than some eco system.