Hospital Inquired Infections

Fraggsta · 14th February 2006, 11:59 AM

What do people think about this?

Recently, in class, I learnt that 1 in 8 people aquire a hospital inquired infection (e.g. MRSA), what do you think can be done to combat this?

AlanG · 14th February 2006, 12:05 PM

The first major thing to be done about it is to increase the number of cleaners to previous levels.

Since the cleaning services being privatised the number of hospital cleaners has halved.

Red_Baron · 14th February 2006, 12:15 PM

make all visitors wash their hands and obey the rule that says "No sitting on beds".

You'll find that a high % of visitors/patients who come into the hospital already have MRSA (among other bacteria) before they come in.

Cleaning is one way to prevent infection spreading but at the end of the day if visitors/patients refuse to respect the higene rules then it's pretty hard to prevent infection.

Pubic Wig · 14th February 2006, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Fraggsta

What do people think about this?

Recently, in class, I learnt that 1 in 8 people aquire a hospital inquired infection (e.g. MRSA), what do you think can be done to combat this?

they catch it because when recovering from an operation or whatever your immune sytem is really fucked. One harsh way to do it is to quatentine a recovering patient for several days. Another less harsh way is the already mentioned and very sensible WASH YOUR HANDS!!!

humndislocation · 14th February 2006, 12:38 PM

The best way is to hassle the nurses about anything you can think of at every available opportunity. That is sure to fix the problem, because nurses are not overworked at all, and they just love it when members of the public give them hassle.

Seriously though, we do need more cleaners, but I doubt the NHS can afford it.

Keerin · 14th February 2006, 01:06 PM

By the way, you guys do know that a large proportion of nurses are suspected to already have MRSA, and washing their hands aint gonna get rid of it...

Keerin · 14th February 2006, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Red_Baron

make all visitors wash their hands and obey the rule that says "No sitting on beds".

You'll find that a high % of visitors/patients who come into the hospital already have MRSA (among other bacteria) before they come in.

Cleaning is one way to prevent infection spreading but at the end of the day if visitors/patients refuse to respect the higene rules then it's pretty hard to prevent infection.

basically what he said, i didn't read all the posts.

AlanG · 14th February 2006, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Keerin

By the way, you guys do know that a large proportion of nurses are suspected to already have MRSA, and washing their hands aint gonna get rid of it...

by whom?

Can you provide a source?

Keerin · 14th February 2006, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan G

by whom?

Can you provide a source?

you don't need sources for things that are only suspected do you? there was research done on last years 3rd year nurses and it found a significant number already had MRSA. but its doubtful that the results will get published. i think it was an internal study done by either ninewells or by the univeristy. i'll ask the wife, it was her that told me.

Rebelius · 14th February 2006, 05:06 PM

isn't it just a fact that a large proportion of people already have MRSA? and that it's just not dangerous in healthy people, just people with deep wounds or damaged immune systems?

Keerin · 14th February 2006, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rebelius

isn't it just a fact that a large proportion of people already have MRSA? and that it's just not dangerous in healthy people, just people with deep wounds or damaged immune systems?

thats basically the way its been explained to me. its really bad if you have mrsa in an infection or a wound etc... but doesn't really do anything at all if your healthy. like, if you have it then get a wound its not gonna be any worse because you have mrsa.

And surely washing is not the answer, seeing as MRSA came about because people were TOO clean?

AlanG · 15th February 2006, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Keerin

you don't need sources for things that are only suspected do you?

you do if you wish to air that in a discussion

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there was research done on last years 3rd year nurses and it found a significant number already had MRSA. but its doubtful that the results will get published. i think it was an internal study done by either ninewells or by the univeristy. i'll ask the wife, it was her that told me.

excellent, cheers

but its irrelevent if

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isn't it just a fact that a large proportion of people already have MRSA?

is true, as it then becomes a large proportion of people have it, not of nurses.

Fraggsta · 15th February 2006, 02:35 PM

There is a system in place in the Netherlands that cut MRSA by 70% and it was a simple strategy.

As soon as a patient comes in, test them for MRSA and other acute infections....if they prove positive, isolate them.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3856379.stm

An excellent article that shows how it is done in the netherlands.

Another thing, this year at university, the January intake that is, is the first year to do a cleanliness champions course as one of our modules. The first time this has ever happened, which in my opinion is ridiculous.

However, all other intakes and years do NOT need to do this.....

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Red_Baron Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Dundee/Alyth hybrid Posts: 1,504 Band: 15 Minutes	make all visitors wash their hands and obey the rule that says "No sitting on beds". You'll find that a high % of visitors/patients who come into the hospital already have MRSA (among other bacteria) before they come in. Cleaning is one way to prevent infection spreading but at the end of the day if visitors/patients refuse to respect the higene rules then it's pretty hard to prevent infection.

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humndislocation Hardcore is serious guys Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Dundee Posts: 6,009 Band: Blasphemous Necrorapist	The best way is to hassle the nurses about anything you can think of at every available opportunity. That is sure to fix the problem, because nurses are not overworked at all, and they just love it when members of the public give them hassle. Seriously though, we do need more cleaners, but I doubt the NHS can afford it.

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Rebelius Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 7,220	isn't it just a fact that a large proportion of people already have MRSA? and that it's just not dangerous in healthy people, just people with deep wounds or damaged immune systems?

15th February 2006, 02:35 PM	#13 (permalink)
Fraggsta Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Dundee Posts: 346	There is a system in place in the Netherlands that cut MRSA by 70% and it was a simple strategy. As soon as a patient comes in, test them for MRSA and other acute infections....if they prove positive, isolate them. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3856379.stm An excellent article that shows how it is done in the netherlands. Another thing, this year at university, the January intake that is, is the first year to do a cleanliness champions course as one of our modules. The first time this has ever happened, which in my opinion is ridiculous. However, all other intakes and years do NOT need to do this.....