The proposed government legislation on violent pornography.

[Macbeth]

*YAWN*
How many ways would you like me to prove that this legislation is a good idea?

1) Humanity is progressive: I don't want to live in a world were humans inflict pain on other humans (imitation or not) for whatever reason.

2) Have you read the stonewall case? I presume not, it debated as to whether consensual grievous bodily harm was legal. (Go buy a book or visit your local library fucktards)

3) If possession of this material should be legal, and prosecution should be based on action then surely my possession of heroin, a gun and plutonium are all perfectly legal unless I DO something with them?

4) Australia and Canada (which has conducted some of the most in-depth studies of the causes of rape) both have higher rates of rape than the UK and Japan and Denmark have less it is agreed by most legal professionals that the rate of reported rape is more to do with the difficulty in prosecuting rapists than laxity of pornography laws.

5) Many sexuality experts have come to the conclusion that the internet has allowed access to diverse sexually explicit material and has led to an increase in diverse sexual activity due to perceived acknowledgement and sanction of a variety of previously taboo sexual practices.

6) Firming up this legal point strengthens that case for prosecution lawyers in sexual assault cases, which may be explained away as 'consensual.'

[humndislocation]

RAAAAAR YOU DISAGREE WITH ME, SO I'M GOING TO USE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE A CONDESCENDING PRICK

[RiseAgainst]

4) Australia and Canada (which has conducted some of the most in-depth studies of the causes of rape) both have higher rates of rape than the UK and Japan and Denmark have less it is agreed by most legal professionals that the rate of reported rape is more to do with the difficulty in prosecuting rapists than laxity of pornography laws.

6) Firming up this legal point strengthens that case for prosecution lawyers in sexual assault cases, which may be explained away as 'consensual.'

does number four enforce the point that this legislation doesnt matter one bit?

and also, imagine Miss X has rough, consentual sex with Mr Y. Miss X then alledges Mr Y raped her, because of bruising on her (which she lets say initiated) that makes Mr Y guility according to your number 6 argument.

that book reading did you a lot of good.

[Pubic Wig]

Originally Posted by Macbeth

1) Humanity is progressive:

How in any way shape or form is humanity progressive?
And dont anybody come out with "better medical care", "benefits of an education", or "longer life expectancy" because you will find that a large proportion of the population of Earth do not receive a high standard or medical care, little to no erducation or have an especially long life expectancy.

As to the topic of this thread...would my Russ Myer films be made illegal? That would suck. They are funny.

[: : Scott : :]

Originally Posted by Pubic Wig

How in any way shape or form is humanity progressive?

Argh what, are you serious? Yeah humanity isn't progressive and all we have done is regress and go backwards since the the Dark ages. Free speech and emancipation have always existed and are not the result of progress. We have always been able to eradicate diseases like Polio with simple innoculations by understanding immunocompetence in humans. I peferred the Internet and free healthcare in 1452! I wish it wasn't illegal for someone to steal all my stuff and kill my family because laws and legal systems are the result of progression from barbarism and THERE IS NO PROGRESS.


Stop talking shite.

Originally Posted by Pubic Wig

little to no erducation

Or maybe you have at least one decent point.

[Dj-Zero]

Originally Posted by Macbeth

4) Australia and Canada (which has conducted some of the most in-depth studies of the causes of rape) both have higher rates of rape than the UK and Japan and Denmark have less it is agreed by most legal professionals that the rate of reported rape is more to do with the difficulty in prosecuting rapists than laxity of pornography laws.

really? some of the sickest porn comes from Japan!

[Hecate]

Introducing this legislation wouldn't affect me personally one way or the other, so I'm still considering all the arguments to form an opinion.

If the laws are introduced, then Mr and Mrs Smith who enjoy looking at such images are likely to be prosecuted and criminalised, but the big porn companies who make their films abroad are still untouchable.

So it may make things more difficult for certain folk, but the big companies making massive profits from it, and whose participants are only consensual in the loosest term of the word, will carry on regardless.

Many people choose to forget or ignore how the majority of women particularly get into the porn industry, how it exploits them, and being that violent porn is mainly violence against women, I don't think these laws will change much for them.

I don't see what's wrong with people having fun, doing what they enjoy, and distributing those images, however given that it's already illegal to do that when there's violence involved, this legislation doesn't change much for them.

It's well known that this type of porn will not flick a switch in someone and make them go out and rape or murder, however being freely able to possess violent porn could legitamise that behaviour in their own minds and make their actions seem ok to them. Regardless of the UK laws, people like that will get hold of the imagery one way or another.

It seems then to me that this law is not about protecting people in any sense, but more to do with marginalising a particular group of people, and it would take a worldwide effort to actually change things in any major way.

[Dj-Zero]

Originally Posted by Macbeth

1) Humanity is progressive: I don't want to live in a world were humans inflict pain on other humans (imitation or not) for whatever reason.

Whether humanity is or isn't progressive has nothing to do with it. So you don't want people to inflict pain on one another for kicks, so you're also against tattoos and piercings?

Originally Posted by Macbeth

2) Have you read the stonewall case? I presume not, it debated as to whether consensual grievous bodily harm was legal. (Go buy a book or visit your local library fucktards)

No i haven't read it, but i will, thanks. (Why the need to namecall, isn't that a tad childish?)

Originally Posted by Macbeth

3) If possession of this material should be legal, and prosecution should be based on action then surely my possession of heroin, a gun and plutonium are all perfectly legal unless I DO something with them?

Yeah, what are you gonna do with the images, go out and papercut someone with them? You're surely not telling me that because someone looks at these images they are going to attempt to recreate them? that's absurd!

Originally Posted by Macbeth

4) Australia and Canada (which has conducted some of the most in-depth studies of the causes of rape) both have higher rates of rape than the UK and Japan and Denmark have less it is agreed by most legal professionals that the rate of reported rape is more to do with the difficulty in prosecuting rapists than laxity of pornography laws.

As i said before, the Japanese sexual assault rates are very low and their consumption of violent porn and imagery is HUGE!

Originally Posted by Macbeth

5) Many sexuality experts have come to the conclusion that the internet has allowed access to diverse sexually explicit material and has led to an increase in diverse sexual activity due to perceived acknowledgement and sanction of a variety of previously taboo sexual practices.

So what, what is wrong with diverse sexual activity?

Originally Posted by Macbeth

6) Firming up this legal point strengthens that case for prosecution lawyers in sexual assault cases, which may be explained away as 'consensual.'

All that will achieve is a helluva lot of innocent people going to jail for no reason and not only for the downloading of 'violent' images. Think of all the times during divorce that consensual S&M activities will be used against someone, just out of sheer spite, knowing that it's considered an offence and carries, not only a jail sentence, but inclusion on the sex offenders register!!!

[humndislocation]

Originally Posted by Macbeth

3) If possession of this material should be legal, and prosecution should be based on action then surely my possession of heroin, a gun and plutonium are all perfectly legal unless I DO something with them?

Because clearly porn containing simulated violence is to violence, as plutonium is to a nuclear bomb. There's no other reason that someone could like porn containing simulated violence... nope.

If possession of this material should be illegal, and prosecution should be based on possession, then surely my possession of a kitchen knife should lead to me being arrested. After all, the vast majority of people that have stabbed someone owned knives!

What about fertiliser? I could make a bomb with it!

Originally Posted by Macbeth

4) Australia and Canada (which has conducted some of the most in-depth studies of the causes of rape) both have higher rates of rape than the UK and Japan and Denmark have less it is agreed by most legal professionals that the rate of reported rape is more to do with the difficulty in prosecuting rapists than laxity of pornography laws.

Doesn't this add weight to the point that there isn't a direct correlation between the availability of this material and the incidence of rape?

Originally Posted by Macbeth

5) Many sexuality experts have come to the conclusion that the internet has allowed access to diverse sexually explicit material and has led to an increase in diverse sexual activity due to perceived acknowledgement and sanction of a variety of previously taboo sexual practices.

DOES THE GOVERNMENT KNOW ABOUT THIS??? God, we might have people having sex in positions other than the missionary position, which as we all know, is an affront to God. Fucking deviants!

All taboo sexual acts are taboo because they're sick and violent and wrong! If access to porn makes people more open to previously taboo sexual acts, then clearly it follows from this that violent porn will make people violent!

It's a slippery, slippery slope. If we allow violent porn to be legal, then soon telephones will be having sex with hamsters, and all sorts of horrible things will be legal.

Originally Posted by Macbeth

6) Firming up this legal point strengthens that case for prosecution lawyers in sexual assault cases, which may be explained away as 'consensual.'

What if it is consensual? Won't this make it easier to someone to falsely cry rape and ruin the lives of innocent people?

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by Dj-Zero

.....but inclusion on the sex offenders register!!!

Seriously???
That's ridiculous! Having violent porn does not make someone a sex offender, I'm disturbed about this. The sex offenders register should ONLY include sexual offenders, otherwise it makes a complete mockery of it and muddies the waters on who is ACTUALLY dangerous.

Also, I'd like to comment on Japan, where the low incidence of sexual assaults recorded is all about the system of reporting crimes and prosecuting offenders being extremely poor, and their general public acceptance of glamourising the sexual element of the very young. It would take a big shift in attitude towards women and girls to start to get a realistic picture of sexual crimes in Japan, and many other countries besides.

[: : Scott : :]

Originally Posted by freakonaleash

Also, I'd like to comment on Japan, where the low incidence of sexual assaults recorded is all about the system of reporting crimes and prosecuting offenders being extremely poor, and their general public acceptance of glamourising the sexual element of the very young. It would take a big shift in attitude towards women and girls to start to get a realistic picture of sexual crimes in Japan, and many other countries besides.

Agree. It's so easy to say that Japan has little reported sexual assault and produces tons of violent sexual media, so there is no correlation between assualt and exposure to violence, but you totally aren't considering the cultural differences between a country like the UK and a country like Japan, where the concept of real sexual equality is in its infancy and lots of women wouldn't report a sexual assault. It's just like saying that because crime rates in the UK are up, society has gone to shit, when really the fact that reported crime has increased is ace because it means that less people are getting away with it than there previously would have been.

I'm not saying that the above implies that there is a correlation between sexual assault and exposure to media depicting sexual assault, just saying that your point about Japan is not valid.