Cheney endorses torture.

[Kenny]

Cheney endorses simulated drowning

Mark Tran
Friday October 27, 2006
Guardian Unlimited

The use of a form of torture known as waterboarding to gain information is a "no-brainer", the US vice-president, Dick Cheney, told a radio interviewer, it was reported today.

Mr Cheney implied that the technique - a form of simulated drowning - was used on the alleged September 11 mastermind, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who is being held at Guantánamo Bay.

In an interview with Scott Hennen, a conservative radio show host in Fargo, North Dakota, on Tuesday, Mr Cheney agreed with the assertion that "a dunk in water" could yield valuable intelligence from terror suspects.

"Would you agree a dunk in water is a no-brainer if it can save lives?" Mr Hennen asked.

"Well, it's a no-brainer for me," Mr Cheney replied. "But for a while there, I was criticised as being the vice president for torture. We don't torture. That's not what we're involved in."

In some versions of waterboarding, prisoners are strapped to a board and their faces covered with cloth or cellophane while water is poured over their mouths to stimulate drowning. In others, they are forced head first into water.

Mr Cheney's comments set him at odds with the Military Commissions Act, which bars, under all circumstances, treatment of prisoners that inflicts serious physical or mental pain or suffering.

Two of the chief sponsors of the legislation, senators John McCain and John Warner - both senior Republicans - say it outlaws waterboarding.

Last month, the US army also revised its field manual to specifically ban waterboarding and other techniques as "cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment" that is banned by the Geneva accords.

Military officials said such techniques did not yield reliable intelligence from prisoners.

Mr Cheney told his interviewer that the ability to interrogate high value detainees had "been a very important tool that we've had to be able to secure the nation ... we need to be able to continue that".

A spokeswoman for the vice president yesterday said Mr Cheney was not confirming the use of any specific interrogation techniques.

"He was talking about the interrogation programme without torture," Lee Anne McBride told the Washington Post. "The vice president does not discuss any techniques or methods that may or may not have been used in questioning."

The US group Human Rights Watch said Mr Cheney's comments on waterboarding contradicted the views of Congress and the defence department and warned they could come back to haunt the US.

"If Iran or Syria detained an American, Cheney is saying that it would be perfectly fine for them to hold that American's head under water until he nearly drowns, if that's what they think they need to do to save Iranian or Syrian lives," Tom Malinowski, the Washington advocacy director for the organisation, said.

The US has long considered waterboarding - which dates back at least to the Spanish Inquisition - to be torture and a war crime.

As early as 1901, a US court martial sentenced Major Edwin Glenn to 10 years hard labour for subjecting a suspected insurgent in the Philippines to the "water cure".

After the second world war, US military commissions successfully prosecuted as war criminals several Japanese soldiers who subjected US prisoners to waterboarding.

In 1968, a US army officer was court martialled for helping to waterboard a prisoner in Vietnam.

[Keerin]

It doesn't surprise me at all when you read about some of the other stuff he has said...

[Baz]

nothing like this shocks me much anymore.

the injustices America carries out and gets away with are beyond comprehension

[humndislocation]

Pretty shocking really.

That said, sleep deprivation technically counts as torture, and I wouldn't necessarily object to potential terrorists being subjected to sleep deprivation.

[Kenny]

Originally Posted by humndislocation

Pretty shocking really.

That said, sleep deprivation technically counts as torture, and I wouldn't necessarily object to potential terrorists being subjected to sleep deprivation.

...and therefore yourself / British servicemen / anyone being subjected to it if you ever got in a pickle elsewhere.

Anyway, sleep deprivation along would probably only count as inhuman treatment.

[humndislocation]

It wouldn't particularly bother me if British servicemen were subjected to it. I don't agree with it being used to the extent that it could potentially cause someone severe physical or mental harm, but I don't think a little sleep deprivation is the end of the world.

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by humndislocation

It wouldn't particularly bother me if British servicemen were subjected to it. I don't agree with it being used to the extent that it could potentially cause someone severe physical or mental harm, but I don't think a little sleep deprivation is the end of the world.

But if you allow it, how and where do you draw the line before it does cause mental harm? It has been used for centuries as a form of torture, like chinese water torture which is a means of causing sleep deprivation, and literally sent the victims insane.