Puff Puff - Over 18's only now - Page 2

azzemojo · 21st January 2007, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 1628

But if it's implemented in Scotland, it could result in more wee gadges asking me to buy them fags, so that could be kinda amusing.

i saw something like than in HMV
a wee ned walked up to the security guard and asked him to buy him an 18

haha and they say Dundee is not full of retards

Hecate · 21st January 2007, 06:33 PM

I am all for everyone getting treated by the NHS, whether they be smokers, heroin addicts, whatever. You can't separate out what causes someone's illness, unless it's cut-and-dried like liver damage from drinking, or obvious damage from drugs, but even then they should be treated like everyone else. It's more important to look at prevention in society and treatment programmes instead.
There are so many carcinogens around, including pollution in the air, and in our foods, that it's impossible to determine which carcinogen is responsible say in cancer.
As for the over 18 for smoking issue, I think it's an excellent idea, although it wouldn't have prevented me from smoking as I started when I was 21.

Keerin · 22nd January 2007, 04:44 PM

I say ban fags completely.

but it's not my call unfortunately.

If it was I'd probably get assainated or something by the freedom of choice brigade.

Pubic Wig · 22nd January 2007, 05:01 PM

How much does the Cigarete industry contibute to the NHS and welfare state through tax? Must be a shitload seeing as its one of the most profitable industries in the world (along with Military Equipment Production, Pornography and Computers).

ArchFlameTera · 22nd January 2007, 05:05 PM

i dont think they should be banned altogether, i think the best possible solution would be to bump the legal age up to 21. i would guess the amount of new smokers each year would fall dramitically, maybe even half the amount?

humndislocation · 22nd January 2007, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Keerin

I say ban fags completely.

but it's not my call unfortunately.

If it was I'd probably get assainated or something by the freedom of choice brigade.

Can't say I agree. It's not the government's place to stop people from making stupid decisions.

ArchFlameTera · 22nd January 2007, 06:35 PM

yep its a strange one.

on one hand, youve got everyone telling you that you shouldnt smoke, and not too smoke, and theres so much money spent on no smoking campaigns and treatment for people who have lung cancer thats associated with smoking etc. so when you see that the solution is obvious, ban them.

but, if they ban fags, when will it end? ban booze? ban caffeine? ban unhealthy foods? plus all the money generated from selling cigarettes too...

Pubic Wig · 22nd January 2007, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ArchFlameTera

but, if they ban fags, when will it end? ban booze? ban caffeine? ban unhealthy foods? plus all the money generated from selling cigarettes too...

Theres already a ban of serving unhealthy food in many schools isnt there?

ArchFlameTera · 22nd January 2007, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Pubic Wig

Theres already a ban of serving unhealthy food in many schools isnt there?

no idea. but thats a bit different anyway. i meant a complete ban ie it would be illegal to smoke.

Hecate · 23rd January 2007, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Keerin

I say ban fags completely.

but it's not my call unfortunately.

If it was I'd probably get assainated or something by the freedom of choice brigade.

I've never heard you saying anything like this before, I'm quite surprised

I don't get it cos you drink. How does that work?

It's impossible to ban everything deemed unhealthy, where do you draw the line? All it creates is a blackmarket instead, which is unhealthy for society as a whole.
What's all this freedom of choice brigade stuff? lol yoiu shitstirrer
How about your Parkour? It fucks your knees, joints and shins. Where would you stand on freedom of choice if that was taken away from you? Or couldn't get free treatment on the NHS for self-inflicted injuries? What if you fuck your legs, back or neck for life and can't work or get treatment on the NHS?

For one thing, Rick and many other metal singers would sing like Chris Martin from Coldplay if it wasn't for fags!

ArchFlameTera · 23rd January 2007, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by freakonaleash

I've never heard you saying anything like this before, I'm quite surprised

I don't get it cos you drink. How does that work?

haha im sure he said that in another thread a while back

the bit about the vocals isnt right tho - i know a good few folk who have never touched a fag in there life yet can scream like a mofo!

Hecate · 23rd January 2007, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ArchFlameTera

haha im sure he said that in another thread a while back

the bit about the vocals isnt right tho - i know a good few folk who have never touched a fag in there life yet can scream like a mofo!

Yeah but it's the gutteral stuff that loads of singers openly admit smoking makes a big difference, awful though that is. That's not the reason behind Rick taking up smoking though and I'm not trying to condone it, it was more to lighten the tone of my post to Kieran as I'm not trying to start an argument just interested in his viewpoint.

Keerin · 23rd January 2007, 09:33 AM

I've expressed my view multiple times in real life and on t'internet, but moreso in real life because the internet makes people extermely argmentative over issues like this where they wouldn't normally argue (not you kate... i mean other ppl just in ge

22nd January 2007, 04:44 PM	#18 (permalink)
Keerin UGS Site Writer Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: probably work Posts: 6,670 Band: Welcome Home, Explorer; Vulsellum; Altruist	I say ban fags completely. but it's not my call unfortunately. If it was I'd probably get assainated or something by the freedom of choice brigade. __________________ Welcome Home, Explorer \|Vulsellum\|Scum Killer http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...6/scan0002.jpg

21st January 2007, 06:33 PM	#17 (permalink)
Hecate Don Kate (UGS Mafia) Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: somewhere Posts: 2,477 Band: Vulsellum	I am all for everyone getting treated by the NHS, whether they be smokers, heroin addicts, whatever. You can't separate out what causes someone's illness, unless it's cut-and-dried like liver damage from drinking, or obvious damage from drugs, but even then they should be treated like everyone else. It's more important to look at prevention in society and treatment programmes instead. There are so many carcinogens around, including pollution in the air, and in our foods, that it's impossible to determine which carcinogen is responsible say in cancer. As for the over 18 for smoking issue, I think it's an excellent idea, although it wouldn't have prevented me from smoking as I started when I was 21.

22nd January 2007, 05:01 PM	#19 (permalink)
Pubic Wig Dark Lord of the Sith Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Scumdee and Stirling Posts: 1,884 Band: 'Im The Juggernaught Bitch!' - working title	How much does the Cigarete industry contibute to the NHS and welfare state through tax? Must be a shitload seeing as its one of the most profitable industries in the world (along with Military Equipment Production, Pornography and Computers).

22nd January 2007, 05:05 PM	#20 (permalink)
ArchFlameTera Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Dundonia!!!!!!!!! Posts: 4,713 Band: A Parting Shot (erratic grind madness) + Vulsellum (old school death metal)	i dont think they should be banned altogether, i think the best possible solution would be to bump the legal age up to 21. i would guess the amount of new smokers each year would fall dramitically, maybe even half the amount?

22nd January 2007, 06:35 PM	#22 (permalink)
ArchFlameTera Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Dundonia!!!!!!!!! Posts: 4,713 Band: A Parting Shot (erratic grind madness) + Vulsellum (old school death metal)	yep its a strange one. on one hand, youve got everyone telling you that you shouldnt smoke, and not too smoke, and theres so much money spent on no smoking campaigns and treatment for people who have lung cancer thats associated with smoking etc. so when you see that the solution is obvious, ban them. but, if they ban fags, when will it end? ban booze? ban caffeine? ban unhealthy foods? plus all the money generated from selling cigarettes too...

23rd January 2007, 09:33 AM	#28 (permalink)
Keerin UGS Site Writer Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: probably work Posts: 6,670 Band: Welcome Home, Explorer; Vulsellum; Altruist	I've expressed my view multiple times in real life and on t'internet, but moreso in real life because the internet makes people extermely argmentative over issues like this where they wouldn't normally argue (not you kate... i mean other ppl just in ge