The non-thinking that is Religion. - Page 10

Keerin · 14th August 2007, 03:32 PM

it is totally serious. I guess under our flat earth we have a turtle, and on his back are 4 elephants.

I'm off to the Unseen University. toodle pip.

LesMts · 14th August 2007, 03:34 PM

I suspect it was set up as a piss-take but it has several members who are absolutely serious.
The FAQ has been put together from their views.

Keerin · 14th August 2007, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by LesMts

I suspect it was set up as a piss-take but it has several members who are absolutely serious.
The FAQ has been put together from their views.

I read the FAQ and found this:

Q: "What's underneath the Earth?" aka "What's on the bottom?" aka "What's on the other side?"

A: This is unknown. Some believe it to be just rocks, others believe the Earth rests on the back of four elephants and a turtle.

hahaha

I'm actually baffled.

Hecate · 14th August 2007, 04:13 PM

My first visit to the flat earthers....I. Can't. Speak.

Pubic Wig · 14th August 2007, 05:19 PM

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I notice the religious contributors to this thread (Pubicwig and Johnny?) seem to have stopped posting.....

Terrribly sorry i went home last night to get on with my day to day life...i apologise, il be here till 9.30 tonight when i finish my shift at work.

And as i said earlier, i still find many people who dont beleive in the exiustance of god or gods to be as narrow minded and intolerant as those who do...and i beleive you personaly have prooved this throughout the thread many many times over.

GobbHayte · 14th August 2007, 06:00 PM

why shouldn't people "pick and choose" what to believe when, as has been stated elsewhere in this thread, all religous texts were written after the events they concern by people with their own agenda to impose.
Liberal christians like the basic message jesus taught about love and tolerance for all of humanity and respect him for standing against the totalitarian religious authorities of the time, but reject the messy, contradictory and dogmatic writings that came after his death.
jesus doesn't really come in to my view of the world, but i don't have a problem with people who follow his basic message of "don't be complete pricks to each other" and reject all the bollocks written about him centuries later.
religion is not "the problem with the world" the problem with the world is arseholes, specifically arseholes who think everyone else should think and act like them and who brainwash weaker arseholes into doing their dirty work for them. some arseholes use religion to do this, others use political ideology, but it's all the same shit really.

Zildjiain · 15th August 2007, 05:09 AM

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Just to bring up the whole "6000yr old world is nonsense" thing that you mentioned on the first page Alex, do you know anyone who is over 6000 years old? Can you prove without any doubt that the world is older than 6000 years?

If Artificial Intelligence existed and I created a game like the sims where the people could actually think for themselves and spent so long making it that I had modelled the whole of this universe and put in things like fossils and the like and gave all the sim-people memories to think they hadn't just popped into existance and they ended up having this argument, they would probably be able to prove just as well as you can that their world was over 6000years old, they'd be wrong though.

The simple fact we can see things more than 6,000 lights years away proves the world is more than 6,000 years old.

Go to TV Links then Documentaries and ´100 Reasons Why Evolution is Stupid´ I´ve tried watching this 3 times, but out f sheer annoyance I can´t make it past the 30 minute mark. The bullshit he spews out is unbelievable. Literally.

Thee Alex · 15th August 2007, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pubic Wig

And as i said earlier, i still find many people who dont beleive in the exiustance of god or gods to be as narrow minded and intolerant as those who do...and i beleive you personaly have prooved this throughout the thread many many times over.

I think you'll find that most people who know me would describe me as anything but narrow minded, and I'm certainly not intolerant. Don't mistake having a firmly held opinion for being 'narrow minded' or 'intolerant'.

Religion has caused some fantastic art and music to be created but, having now been shown to all intents and purposes to be largely if not entirely untrue by our increased understanding of the Universe and Science, it's time for it to pack up and go home.

You still haven't told me why you believe.....I'm genuinely interested.

Thee Alex · 15th August 2007, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GobbHayte

why shouldn't people "pick and choose" what to believe when, as has been stated elsewhere in this thread, all religous texts were written after the events they concern by people with their own agenda to impose.

Correct that most religious texts were written a LONG time after the event (the writers of the 4 Gospels weren't even second generation witnesses). It's interesting though that you then go ahead with the following....

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Originally Posted by GobbHayte

Liberal christians like the basic message jesus taught about love and tolerance for all of humanity and respect him for standing against the totalitarian religious authorities of the time, but reject the messy, contradictory and dogmatic writings that came after his death.

Ah, but those 'messy, contradictory and dogmatic writings that came after his death' are the ONLY source for the 'basic message Jesus taught'. In what way did he stand 'against the totalitarian religious authorities of the time'? He preached that taxes should be paid to the occupying Roman forces and observed the Jewish religious traditions of the time (being himself a Jew). The anti-Semitic lies propagated by the early church and 'St.' Paul were entirely untrue. The jewish people at the (supposed) time of Christ were famously argumentative but would NOT have been remotely interested in collaborating with the Romans to crucify another in a long line of people claiming to be the Messiah (see Amazon.com: Jesus : A Life: Books: A.N. Wilson for more information about the historical background to First Century Judea, A N Wilson knows his stuff and the book is excellent). 'St.' Paul claimed to have been converted whilst travelling to Damascus to persecute the infant church there, supposedly on orders from the High Priest of Jerusalem....the fact that the Jews NEVER persecuted the early church and that the High Priest of Jerusalem had no authority in Damascus doesn't dissuade Paul from telling this whopping lie about his conversion.....and if he could lie about this what else could he spread about Jesus and his death? Remember 'St.' Paul is the main voice of the New Testament, the man who shaped the christian perspective from which the Gospel writers approached their subject....

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jesus doesn't really come in to my view of the world,

...clearly, as you seem to have next to no insight into the issue...

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but i don't have a problem with people who follow his basic message of "don't be complete pricks to each other" and reject all the bollocks written about him centuries later.

See previously made point about provenance of the 'message' of Jesus.

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Originally Posted by GobbHayte

religion is not "the problem with the world" the problem with the world is arseholes, specifically arseholes who think everyone else should think and act like them and who brainwash weaker arseholes into doing their dirty work for them. some arseholes use religion to do this, others use political ideology, but it's all the same shit really.

In the world we live in sadly religion is being used by all sides as an excuse for the worst kind of horrors. So it's very much 'the problem' with our current world.

DissolveD_JameS · 15th August 2007, 07:13 PM

I'm a self confessed 'fence-sitter' when it comes to most things. I have accepted that I know nothing except myself, and even then I'm pretty good at telling myself lies subconsciously. It's a very disenchanting feeling constantly wondering if theres any point whatsoever in regarding anything with any value - whether that be a possession, an emotion, a person, an ideal, a fact.. anything. Much pondering has given me a kind of epiphany in regards to faith and what it actually means to me. Without my faith I would be nothing and waking up each day would be ultimately pointless. I don't put my faith in anything particular, I would like to believe in karma, I would like to believe that sinners suffer in hell and saints are rewarded in heaven and I would like to believe that science and logic hold the definitive answers to everything... but I can't. Logic tells me that certain things are impossible, yet at the same time it tells me anything is possible.

In my opinion most of religion is absurd and contradicting. I feel the same way about logic, my own thoughts, governmental policies and the prices at my local corner shop.

Obviously religion has a huge impact on the world, but its impact is equally significant as it is insignificant. I struggle to see the difference between George Bush finding all his answers in the bible and Thee Alex making all his points by finding the literal contradictions. Seems to me that the bible has more power over Alex than anyone else on this forum. That's cool with me though, I respect his faith - for he'd be nothing without it.

Amen.

Thee Alex · 15th August 2007, 07:38 PM

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