The non-thinking that is Religion.

[LesMts]

Originally Posted by freakonaleash

"Supernatural" means something that happens in nature (naturally) that cannot be explained by science.

I'd disagree. Supernatural means something above and beyond nature.

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by LesMts

I'm sure meditating is worth every second for you, I wouldn't be of the opinion that this is due to anything supernatural or otherworldly or spiritual. I'd say there is likely a sound neurological and physiological reason for the calming effect. That's just my opinion.

I said earlier in the thread, I am quite comfortable with that thought.
However, I do not discount the possibility of a spiritual side to the universe, and ourselves, and err to that side.
Cheers for the apology, I had meant science has advanced tremendously on the grand scale of things, considering how we started out as a species.

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by LesMts

I'd disagree. Supernatural means something above and beyond nature.

Above and beyond the current understanding of nature.

[DissolveD_JameS]

Originally Posted by LesMts

I'd disagree. Supernatural means something above and beyond nature.

Assuming the only way to explain nature accurately is with science, then surely that which occurs naturally that we have no scientific explanation for yet is supernatural?

[LesMts]

Originally Posted by DissolveD_JameS

Assuming the only way to explain nature accurately is with science, then surely that which occurs naturally that we have no scientific explanation for yet is supernatural?

Not at all. If I or one of my colleagues makes an interesting, unexplained, novel observation in our research it wouldn't be supernatural. It'd be an observed natural phenomenon, yet to be explained.
Supernatural by its definition is something outside of nature.
If I saw a "ghost" I wouldn't call it supernatural. Again, I'd have to describe it as an observed natural phenomenon, yet to be explained (actually, I'd probably consider various possibilities based on what we already know scientifically about reality - tricks of light, visual hallucinations, atmospheric phenomena - before even calling it 'unexplained').
Supernatural refers to the world of the metaphysical.

[DissolveD_JameS]

Now I get bad rep because of the content of one of my bands songs... real mature.

To whoever left the comment:
a) you don't know which of the lyrics were written by me
b) you don't know what i meant by my lyrics
c) my lyrics have absolutely nothing to do with anything i have said in this thread... if they did I would have referenced them

[Hecate]

An online dictionary;
"of, pertaining to, or being above or beyond what is natural; unexplainable by natural law or phenomena; abnormal."

I guess, in your experiment Les Mts, if you can't explain it by natural law, then it would be supernatural.
But it also says other meanings, including that which is caused by a deity.

[Thee Alex]

Originally Posted by DissolveD_JameS

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The supernatural and science do not have to be different things in the long run. If you saw a ghost tonight, that is supernatural until it gets explained by science.

No it's not, it's a scientific phenomenon that yet to be explained. It is NOT supernatural.

[LesMts]

Originally Posted by freakonaleash

An online dictionary;
"of, pertaining to, or being above or beyond what is natural; unexplainable by natural law or phenomena; abnormal."

I guess, in your experiment Les Mts, if you can't explain it by natural law, then it would be supernatural.
But it also says other meanings, including that which is caused by a deity.

I believe anything observed is explainable by natural law. As would the vast majority of scientists.

[DissolveD_JameS]

Originally Posted by LesMts

Not at all. If I or one of my colleagues makes an interesting, unexplained, novel observation in our research it wouldn't be supernatural. It'd be an observed natural phenomenon, yet to be explained.
Supernatural by its definition is something outside of nature.
If I saw a "ghost" I wouldn't call it supernatural. Again, I'd have to describe it as an observed natural phenomenon, yet to be explained (actually, I'd probably consider various possibilities based on what we already know scientifically about reality - tricks of light, visual hallucinations, atmospheric phenomena - before even calling it 'unexplained').
Supernatural refers to the world of the metaphysical.

Okay so the actual definition doesn't match up - but that's not the point I was making and you seem smart enough to know that. Alex said if he saw a ghost he wouldn't believe in the supernatural, i just used his words to continue the point, being - everything may one day have a scientific explanation - but that doesn't mean until then it is impossible.

[Thee Alex]

Originally Posted by freakonaleash

That's bollocks! In your narrow-minded opinion he didn't, but I am interested in what James has to say, as I'm sure the majority of people involved in this debate are. That is what a debate is for, to share thoughts and ideas and personal opinions.

Well, if you can tell me what he said beyond 'I believe in this, no I don't' then be my guest.

[Thee Alex]

Originally Posted by DissolveD_JameS

My contribution was regarding faith. Regardless of how many flaws you can point at every religious or spiritual belief, faith will still exist because you don't need evidence or a reason to have faith in something

Only you didn't say any such thing, you just came over like someone who is rather stoned and thinks that they are being profound.