The non-thinking that is Religion.

[Thee Alex]

Originally Posted by Orangabus

Well if it is, you pompous prick, it won't be any worse than your subconscious intolerance of anyone with a different opinion than yours.

My my, you joined up just to troll this thread? Bravo!

[Red_Baron]

Ah, you were doing so well there until you dropped that last sentence. And I hope that reference to being 'fucked....in the ass' isn't a little bit of subconscious homophobia coming out?

Not it's actually logic, read it again. Treat this as a lesson in interpretation. You saw homophobia which I can only assume means you think only gay men have anal sex.

What I actually meant was something completly different and actually is a statement based on the theory of evolution but I knew you probably didn't see the world logicly. You seem very reactionary and think everything is an insult or that everyone is trying to convert you. I'd thought I'd have a pop to see your reaction.

Like I said before, read the last sentence.

If we were all like you we'd have to all be male. Equally if we were all like you it would have to assumed that the male human had survived as a species without femals therefore would have developed a way to reproduce. It would seem fair to assume that this would be done through anal intercourse.

Like I said you saw it a completly different way. That's why religion gets so confusing.

Perhaps this is why you think the following:

Unfortunately, almost without exception, their belief systems all command that they should try and convert everyone else...in some cases with force.

What you regard as an attempt at forceful convertion may be just someone giving you the information so that you can make your own choice. Who knows? I don't. I have no idea why you have such an opinion. Granted there are those on the extreme side who fit your description but they are not religions they are power hungry and see religion as a way to control the masses and they are certainly more the exception than the rule.

I was given a handmade clay Ganesh from a guy at work. I sit him on my desk as it's something to distract me from the daily grind, I do not believe in Hinduism but I treat it as it was intended, a gift from a friend.Would you treat this as an attempted act of convertion?

The way you talk is that every follower of any religion is just a mideless soldier , hell bent on converting everyone to their way of thinking. My advice, wake up and dig a little deeper and hopefully you'll be able to make a some better informed statements about the world.

[Thee Alex]

Seriously, I'm just giving up. The religious apologists are so completely in thrall to the notion that it's harmless that there's no longer any point in this thread.

[humndislocation]

Originally Posted by Thee Alex

Saying (no matter how sarcastically or tastelessly) 'Your god didn't help you not die, did he?' is very different from saying 'Ha! Ha! You're dead, silly Christians!!! I WIN @ TEH InterWEB!'

Yes, but they're quite clearly both gloating, so I fail to see your point.

Aside from what you said, if you can't see how posting that picture is gloating, then I don't really know what to say to you.

[Red_Baron]

Originally Posted by Thee Alex

Seriously, I'm just giving up. The religious apologists are so completely in thrall to the notion that it's harmless that there's no longer any point in this thread.

You're giving up up because you have ran out of sensible arguments.

Religion is harmless, it's the madmen who kill in the name of it that we need to be concerned with. Religion is just another name for control to these people.

I used to be of the opinion that we should ban religion because every war seemed to be about religion but in reality wars are started by people who do not take the time to understand another point of view and because they do not understand they begin to fear....bang.

Your statement sounds like some neo-con spouting off about heavy metal or same sex marrige. However so as not to make a hypocrite of myself I'm keen to hear your opinion on why I should "bear arms" ,so to speak, again all forms of religion. Perhaps you may change my mind.

[GobbHayte]

you think that logic and reason has won the day in this thread, Alex? if myself, freakonaleash and pubic wig have stopped bothering to post it's because we can't be bothered waiding through the arrogance, pomposity and pedantry that permeates every one of your posts.
I've found myself being repeatedly dragged into debating the reasoning behind atheism which i never intended to do, i only joined this debate to point out just how utterly cuntish it is to consider yourself superior to others because you choose to be an atheist. i can't be arsed debating with you anymore for the same reason i can't be arsed reading a whole book by that fucking windbag Richard Dawkins, the "holier than thou" attitude to atheism that you both share.

[Thee Alex]

There was I thinking you and kate had stopped posting because you'd been repeatedly shown up to be twittering on about bad science ('But it's been PROVED that the Pineal Gland blah blah blah!') and being generally thick. As for not being arsed to read any Dawkins, I seriously doubt you could read any long book, and certainly not one that didn't have pictures in.

Anyway, I'm out.

[Red_Baron]

Originally Posted by Thee Alex

Anyway, I'm out.

No you bloody well aren't not before you explain to me why I it is wrong for me to think the way I do and why I should treat religion as harmful and get all militant about it.

Christ sake I share a lot of your opinions yet you cast me off as I'm not hardline enough for you. How do i get in your gang? Do I need to go blow up a church or something? Or do I just take some kind of sacred oath?

You are exactly the same as any religious zelot not because of the side of fence you have chosen (as you at least have some science behind your ideas) but because of your attitude. You put down a whole section of society because you disagree with them, you want to dictate your way of thinking to everyone.

There are ignorant people everywhere whether they follow a religion or not. The religious nutters read a few words make it fit into their plan for power and go on the rampage, get everyone to follow their ideas (which usually involve some sort of hierarchy i.e. plebs at the bottom man closer to God at the top).

You on the other hand have chosen to look at the facts can see that religion probably isn't true, however you too go on the warpath claiming you have the answer, you and those who agree with you are right. Everyone else is stupid and should be converted as they are harmful - no exceptions.

Anyone who can also see religious ideas may not be factul but can see that there are two sides to the religious coin (i.e. those who do good those who do bad and that we should concentrate on the stopping the bad and let the good get on with what they are doing) are also cast of as cowards and will not be allowed to follow the mighty Alex to the land of scientific enlightenment as we are not worthy - unless we choose his way of thinking.

I cannot for the life of me see how someone who hates the irrational nature of religion can behave in such an irrational way.

[ArchFlameTera]

Originally Posted by Thee Alex

Anyway, I'm out.

ok, lets see.

you started a thread titled "the non-thinking that is Religion."
you then demand to hear everyone's views. so far so good.
after people tell you there opinion, you dont want to know.

what was the point in this thread again?

[bobby]

worst thread ever. instant ban for all involved

[^_mincher_^]

Originally Posted by ArchFlameTera

ok, lets see.

you started a thread titled "the non-thinking that is Religion."
you then demand to hear everyone's views. so far so good.
after people tell you there opinion, you dont want to know.

what was the point in this thread again?

Exactly.

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by Thee Alex

There was I thinking you and kate had stopped posting because you'd been repeatedly shown up to be twittering on about bad science ('But it's been PROVED that the Pineal Gland blah blah blah!') and being generally thick. As for not being arsed to read any Dawkins, I seriously doubt you could read any long book, and certainly not one that didn't have pictures in.

Anyway, I'm out.

ahahaha! 2 hours later you are back editing your post to add childish and pathetic insults!
But yet you refuse to reply to red Baron
Like he and so many others including me have said to you, you can't even answer with a rational explanation to your militant stance.