Most irritating...

[countjackal]

Originally Posted by omgwtf

No, that's just STUPID in the context of this thread. This thread is about how lots of popular music is bad. Ie, bad. Just plain bad.


It gets fame and publicity that it doesn't merit, while a lot of wonderful music that people who are willing to search for doesn't.

I mean, humndislocation obviously likes metal. I'm not a metal fan at all, but I can appreciate that there are great metal bands and poor metal bands. I'm sure open minded hardcore metal fans who only listen to metal can appreciate that there are great bands that I like that they wouldn't listen to, simply because they're not into them.


In an ideal world, music would be judged by the "masses" on its merits, but it doesn't get a chance because what the "masses" listen to is dictated my large companies that aren't willing to take risks. They know what sells now, so take that and have others on a payroll mimic it ad infinitum. If that's all it takes for something to be "big", then being "big" doesn't nessecarily make something good.

This isn't a "MY TASTE IS BETTER THAN YOUR TASTE" post, but it is relevant to the threat and subsequent discussion.


Word up dawg.

ye i spose you're right. most popular music is crap but that's all thanks to the record companies. tits in suits decide what people want and therefore they choose what's popular. i don't believe that it's the publics choice, most people are too simple-minded to realise that they're just being used by companies to make vast sums of money. i wonder what would happen if the companies took a risk and decided to try something different though... d'ya reckon the majority of the public would buy it?

[NoWave]

Originally Posted by omgwtf

Some people have bad taste in music. You can't argue with that, because that would mean that there is no bad music. It doesn't matter how abstract you want to get about how everyone can take their own interpretations from art, some music is just bad, devoid of any redeeming factors at all.


People that like this kind of stuff have a bad taste in music, and to deny that is just stupid.


It's like anything else, like say video games. Someone might love RPG's and hate FPS's, but can appreciate that good RPG's are fun and interesting but just don't appeal. But no one with any sense can seriously say that "Legends of Wrestling" is a good game.

Bollocks. The only redeeming factor music needs is that someone enjoys it.

Example: Most people listen to Merzbow and hear random noise without merit. But merzbow is considered art. The same goes for other bands of a more noisy disposition, Mr. Bungle, Dillinger Escape Plan, Alec Empire and so on. Why are these bands considered art? Because people like them. Somebody somewhere has enjoyed what they are doing so they have become art.

What I'm saying is that this goes both ways, if people enjoy music that doesn't experiment and is unoriginal in what it does that does not make the music any less worthwhile.

The only bad music is music that doesn't appeal to anyone.

Originally Posted by humndislocation

Yeah, it's called marketing. It certainly isn't the merits of the music itself.

ye i spose you're right. most popular music is crap but that's all thanks to the record companies. tits in suits decide what people want and therefore they choose what's popular. i don't believe that it's the publics choice, most people are too simple-minded to realise that they're just being used by companies to make vast sums of money

In an ideal world, music would be judged by the "masses" on its merits, but it doesn't get a chance because what the "masses" listen to is dictated my large companies that aren't willing to take risks. They know what sells now, so take that and have others on a payroll mimic it ad infinitum. If that's all it takes for something to be "big", then being "big" doesn't nessecarily make something good.

Your paranoid delusions are beneath you. Suck it up and accept that you are not a superiour person.

Tell me, what exactly are these merits that you all hold so true.

Originality? Explain to me the continued underground popularity of Dragonforce or the Offspring.

Musical Talent? Punk Rock. I don't feel I need to say anymore here.

The realism and emotion of the Lyrical Content? The entirity of power metal and gore metal disproves this.

The offensiveness of the lyrical content? Anyone who would cite this is fucking pathetic, who cares if you offend someone with your music, that certainly doesn't make it any more worthwhile. On top of that Robbie Williams (who this thread was originally slamming) is foul mouthed on many of his songs.

[Rebelius]

Originally Posted by NoWave

Originality? Explain to me the continued underground popularity of Dragonforce or the Offspring.

Dragonforce may not be 100% original but they are damn well musically talented. I'd love to see Charlie from busted attempt to play any solo by Herman.

Originally Posted by NoWave

Musical Talent? Punk Rock. I don't feel I need to say anymore here.

A lot of punk rock doesn't show too much musical talent but a lot of it shows "realism and emotion of lyrical content".

Originally Posted by NoWave

The realism and emotion of the Lyrical Content? The entirity of power metal and gore metal disproves this.

Again, power metal may not show this but a lot of it is very original and very musically talented.


Girls aloud however have NONE of these merits.

[Dave(crashdown)]

and honestly...what the hell is with all this opera goin on ! It'll never be cool ... il divo ...sure you can sing.. but your still a wally

[xdavidx]

Originally Posted by NoWave

EDIT: Quite frankly I am also sick of the "everyone only likes things because they're fashionable" bollocks. For something to get in fashion there has to have been a reason for people to like it in the first place. Stop underestimating people who listen to different sorts of music than you. That's the first step to drawing equality with them.

for something to get into fashion, all that has to happen is a record company picking up a small band they see "next big thing" potential in, pumping some cash into this band, and then getting them on the front page of the NME and on radio one, using some record industry "swaying" techniques. one tour later, you've got Razorlight, or Franz Ferdinand, or the Killers, or the Libertines, or insert name of band here, who are only successful, and by your way of thinking a "good, talented band", because some middle aged cunt saw the potential for swinging the zietgeist in their direction and making a buck out of it.

you naive twat.

[browneyedboy00]

Lay off a bit man. I think what was meant was that something has to be enjoyable before it can get popular. A lot of stuff that is popular is good in that its catchy and charismatic and dare I say it good.

[xdavidx]

yeah, but the initial point was something like "U2s new song is shit"

and U2s new song really is shit

[Niall]

Originally Posted by NoWave

If 99% of people like a piece of music and you don't, that's fine.

If you then think that the other 99% are wrong, congratulations, you're a tool.

Totally right.

And anyway, is somebody likes certain types of music, regardless of what it is, then that's good for them, get on with your own life instead of being so bothered about what other people like.

[humndislocation]

I can't be arsed replying to your post properly at the moment, because I'm hung over.

Just my opinion, but suffice to say that bands like merzbow, lockweld, cock esp, etc, are pish. I personally think people just listen to it in a failed attempt to make themselves seem more intelligent/arty/eclectic. Bearing in mind, this is coming from a fan of industrial noise. This is based on what I've heard of these bands. It's all very well to be experimental, but once you cross that line of literally just making white noise with a drum machine over it, you've strayed into pretentious land.

I'm going to regret posting that later, I'm sure, but I felt it had to be said.

Suck it up and accept that you are not a superiour person.

I never claimed to be a superior person. I just said my music taste is superior to someone who listens to nothing but pop.

Where you get "I'm a superior person" from that, is beyond me.

[MisterMarc]

Originally Posted by Rebelius

Girls aloud however have NONE of these merits.

but they're SWEET, which is a merit in itself. i'm pretty sure nothing i listen to is of much merit though.

[browneyedboy00]

Grrrrr Girls Aloud shouldnt be aloud to make music as a punishment for being fronted by a racist little cat-waman bitch.

[Ge'd]

She'd get it, though.


No...?

[browneyedboy00]

A deep moral dilema ensues......