Most irritating...

[MisterMarc]

Originally Posted by browneyedboy00

Grrrrr Girls Aloud shouldnt be aloud to make music as a punishment for being fronted by a racist little cat-waman bitch.

not a defense of ms tweedy, but apparently it's ok for mark e smith to be a drunken wifebeater...

more importantly though, bono IS a cock.

[Iaino]

Originally Posted by MisterMarc

not a defense of ms tweedy, but apparently it's ok for mark e smith to be a drunken wifebeater...

Also, its apparantly ok for R Kelly to be a paedophile. Anyone else find it weird that people like J-Lo are still doing duets with him and stuff. Why wasn't there a big outcry at it? There usually is for these things.

[humndislocation]

Originally Posted by Iaino

This is bollocks. Music is entirely subjective. What you consider to be "bad" may be someone else's idea of musical bliss.

*Sigh* I've already stated that this has nothing to do with music I like or dislike. I like some music, that I don't consider to be particularly high quality, similarly I dislike some music that I consider to be good music. Not all of my music taste consists of music that I'd consider to be superior to what's in the charts.

I really don't like the music of U2, but I can respect that they're talented artists.

Like it or not, not all music takes the same kind of talent to create. Most of the music in the charts was written purely for commercial gain, there's no soul to it. The lyrics were written purely to appeal to a certain demographic, the music simple , catchy and unchallenging.

There may be music which the majority of people consider bad, such as the Cheeky Girls, or that the majority of people who are into alternative music consider bad, such as Girls Aloud or Busted, but you cannot say based on that that it is categorically bad music.

If you'd read the thread, then you'd know that we're not saying this music is bad, based on the fact that we don't like it.

Look, if I tried to claim that "spot the dog" was as good a literary work, as the works of Shakespeare, I'd rightly be called a moron. But because it's music taste, everyone has to get all politically correct, and up in arms about the fact someone could possibly judge one artist to be better than another. Some forms of music are just technically superior to others, get over it.

Also, music isn't entirely subjective, it has objective qualities which you can judge, just like everything else.

[Iaino]

Originally Posted by humndislocation

*Sigh* I've already stated that this has nothing to do with music I like or dislike. I like some music, that I don't consider to be particularly high quality, similarly I dislike some music that I consider to be good music. Not all of my music taste consists of music that I'd consider to be superior to what's in the charts.

I really don't like the music of U2, but I can respect that they're talented artists.

Like it or not, not all music takes the same kind of talent to create. Most of the music in the charts was written purely for commercial gain, there's no soul to it. The lyrics were written purely to appeal to a certain demographic, the music simple , catchy and unchallenging.


If you'd read the thread, then you'd know that we're not saying this music is bad, based on the fact that we don't like it.

Look, if I tried to claim that "spot the dog" was as good a literary work, as the works of Shakespeare, I'd rightly be called a moron. But because it's music taste, everyone has to get all politically correct, and up in arms about the fact someone could possibly judge one artist to be better than another. Some forms of music are just technically superior to others, get over it.

Just because certain music doesn't require the same amount of technical musical expertise to play does not mean it has any less value to the people who like it. Sometimes simple can be good. A lot of people hail Smells Like Teen Spirit as being one of the greatest songs ever written, but a monkey could probably be taught to play it. The music which is written for commercial gain only acheives commercial gain because a lot of people like it. Personally I agree with you when you say that most pop out there is rubbish, but thats just my opinion, and the fact that I hold it doesn't mean that the people who like pop music have inferior tastes to me.

Music is written to satisfy a certain audience. Its like the way in which Spot the Dog is one of the best literary works for pre-school children and Shakespeare is a great literary work for adults. With music, a pop fan may consider Westlife to be great whereas you obviously will not. It doesn't however mean that you are right.

[xdavidx]

R Kelly fucked a 15 year old girl, doesn't make him a paedophile, makes him a bloke.

[Rebelius]

Originally Posted by Rebelius

good looks does not equal musical talent.

just cos someone's hot, doesn't mean their music is any good or that they are talented musicians.

Rep from Niall: "wrong, sorry "

I would just like to point out that i respect you a lot less now.

[NoWave]

Originally Posted by Iaino

Just because certain music doesn't require the same amount of technical musical expertise to play does not mean it has any less value to the people who like it. Sometimes simple can be good. A lot of people hail Smells Like Teen Spirit as being one of the greatest songs ever written, but a monkey could probably be taught to play it. The music which is written for commercial gain only acheives commercial gain because a lot of people like it. Personally I agree with you when you say that most pop out there is rubbish, but thats just my opinion, and the fact that I hold it doesn't mean that the people who like pop music have inferior tastes to me.

Music is written to satisfy a certain audience. Its like the way in which Spot the Dog is one of the best literary works for pre-school children and Shakespeare is a great literary work for adults. With music, a pop fan may consider Westlife to be great whereas you obviously will not. It doesn't however mean that you are right.

^----- This man is correct

[RussellOrGoose]

Originally Posted by Rebelius

I'd love to see Charlie from busted attempt to play any solo by Hermen

He'd be good at pretending

*light humour in times of seriousness*

[Zildjiain]

if a group in the charts is so poular to get to number one, why are they never heard of again? yes, im talking about one hit wonders. ok, some of these may not have been number 1's but u get my point....

what has happened to O-zone, they had one (its so catchy!!!) hit and now they are gone. this is an example of music thast "in fashion" (i wld find the quote, but i cant be bothered) they are hundreds of other examples but i cant be bothered naming them all. how many of you bought an the eiffel 65 cd "Blue" i did, i have to say. How many of you bought their next single (i dont even know the name of it). This is music that 99% of people buy, then the artists disappear completely.

Think of all the music you bought when u were younger. are u embarassed at any things you bought, i definetly am. do u still listen to, ie, steps. no. half of these people only become famous because they are good looking and can mime well. real musicians dont have to be good looking and they sure as hell dont have to mime. and they can write their own stuff too. i wld say more but im sure it will go on too long.

[MisterMarc]

Originally Posted by iain-3tr

if a group in the charts is so poular to get to number one, why are they never heard of again? yes, im talking about one hit wonders. ok, some of these may not have been number 1's but u get my point....

what has happened to O-zone, they had one (its so catchy!!!) hit and now they are gone. this is an example of music thast "in fashion" (i wld find the quote, but i cant be bothered) they are hundreds of other examples but i cant be bothered naming them all. how many of you bought an the eiffel 65 cd "Blue" i did, i have to say. How many of you bought their next single (i dont even know the name of it). This is music that 99% of people buy, then the artists disappear completely.

Think of all the music you bought when u were younger. are u embarassed at any things you bought, i definetly am. do u still listen to, ie, steps. no. half of these people only become famous because they are good looking and can mime well. real musicians dont have to be good looking and they sure as hell dont have to mime. and they can write their own stuff too. i wld say more but im sure it will go on too long.

Old Pop In An Oak by Rednex was a career high point though!

[Rebelius]

Originally Posted by iain-3tr

how many of you bought an the eiffel 65 cd "Blue" i did, i have to say. How many of you bought their next single (i dont even know the name of it).

MOVE YOUR BODY!

I never bought either, i never had money for CDs

[Daveoftheband]

Originally Posted by NoWave

I've got a little bit of news for you whiny little bitches pissed off because whatever sub underground band you like isn't hailed as genious and have their records flying off the shelves.

Your opinion isn't worth anything.

Not a diddly squat.

Music is for yourself first and foremost yes but the hallmark of whether your work has genuine artistic talent is whether anyone else likes it or "gets" what you're trying to achieve. otherwise your peddling mediocre self indulgent bullshit.

If a bunch of people buy a record then it's because it is a record that is good at what it does and inspires enjoyment.

If 99% of people like a piece of music and you don't, that's fine.

If you then think that the other 99% are wrong, congratulations, you're a tool.

why are you on UNDERGROUNDscene.co.uk yammering on about this? its not .popularmasscommercialwankbasedpishscene.co.uk is it?

[NoWave]

Originally Posted by Daveoftheband

why are you on UNDERGROUNDscene.co.uk yammering on about this? its not .popularmasscommercialwankbasedpishscene.co.uk is it?

I'm on UGS cause I listen to underground music like Dream Disciples, Goteki, Fischerspooner, A scholar and a physician, Binster, RunDLL, most everything on the DHR label, Deathboy, Aphex Twin, Squarepusher, Psycho le cemu, X Japan and Malice Mizer.

I'm having this argument cause I constantly see people bitching about this thing which I don't agree with.

Oops, I guess that spoiled your pathetic attempt at a flame huh. I guess you never assumed I could advocate popular music without actually listening to it.