Hot Water Music + Suicide Machines

Baz · 15th May 2006, 10:58 AM

have both SPILT.

pretty shite like. im more gutted about HWM, i suppose you could argue that their best material had been behind them for a few albums. still shit. im just glad i saw em at least once. king tuts, ahhhh.

LENGTHY article below, from punknews.org

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After more than a decade together, a letter from Chuck Ragan suggests that Hot Water Music's extended break is now a break up. In the letter, Ragan explains:

My friends, Hot Water Music as we all knew it is no longer. A great chapter in our lives has come to a close. We must say so long, and farewell. This is not to say by any means that we will never take a stage again together or find our way onto some tracks together, but where we are in our lives at this moment, it won't be anytime soon.
He goes on to talk about some of his future plans, including a "long overdue" solo record. Former bandmate Jason Black also had a short letter addressing Chuck's comments and talking about the split and the future. For the entirety of both, you can click Read More.

In a moving world, some days shine and some days burn. We more so accept than create random acts of movement. Those acts of movement make us who we are. At some point they become intentional means of survival. Then as we all know, sooner or later it becomes a survival where we see fit.

My friends, Hot Water Music as we all knew it is no longer. A great chapter in our lives has come to a close. We must say so long, and farewell. Early in the days of all of this I never thought to question outcomes or reactions to my actions. I did what I did and was fueled by words from loved ones, a drive for life and an undying misery of always being on the cusp of understanding (or not), our disarray of society. I found purpose and strength through my best friends, music, and a quest for the truth. Throughout that journey, I became who I am today. I also found the day in and day out monotony of the road and the "job" that HWM had become, had taken a serious toll. Just as I have done throughout my life when my heart turns in a direction for the sake of well being, I followed it. HWM has always been to me living true, free and unbound. Stay true to who you are to begin with and you'll be true to who you are in the end.

This is a letter primarily directed to all of our fans, family, and friends. A lot of you have been left in the dark as to why we decided to stop touring as HWM in the first place. For this I must apologize. Though this letter should have happened a while back, it has taken us all a bit of time to acclimate to where we are in life. Stepping off a moving merry-go-round if you will. I must say overall this is a letter of gratitude, as well as a letter to expel any rumors or things that have lead anyone in the wrong direction as far as what has, is and will be taking place in the life of song for all of us.

My friends, Hot Water Music as we all knew it is no longer. A great chapter in our lives has come to a close. We must say so long, and farewell. This is not to say by any means that we will never take a stage again together or find our way onto some tracks together, but where we are in our lives at this moment, it won't be anytime soon.

This is mainly a public announcement to let everyone know that we have all moved into different directions within our personal and professional lives. As far as our own music goes none of us are slowing down in anyway. George, Jason, and Chris are moving full steam ahead with The Draft as their primary focus and I'm paddling my own canoe. I'm working on a solo record that's long overdue and having a damn good time with it. I'll play shows, but for making my way and a living, I'm called to cutting big sticks into little sticks. For me in many ways, wood has all the same properties as music. I have just as much passion for shaping and working wood as I do playing my guitar or writing a song. They're one in the same and don't even get me started on fishing! So the music will never die, just evolve. I'm moving on a different plane. Ready to settle down, write more songs, make more records, catch more fish, make love and babies with my sweet wife, slide sideways down mountains, build large structures that I draw on paper, and grow more food than we buy. So none of us are gone. Just evolved.

So none of us are gone. Just evolved. I must say that I have never in my life ever known such a display of dedication, desire, and will to carry on than through the HWM fans around the world. I don't believe I could ever truly find the right words to express my gratitude and sincere thanks to all the amazing souls who sacrificed what they had to make it to our shows and make them live! All those who traveled, followed, escaped, sneaked in or barged in to be apart of this movement. You are all a huge reason that we survived through days that most don't. Some of you know the tolls and trials of the road. As well as the glories and lights at the end of the tunnels. Some of you may be completely oblivious as to what it can do to a spirit and a body by subjecting yourself to what can be an extremely unhealthy way of life. It can most definitely feel like your being torn apart from the inside out at times. To say the least, it can be far from glamorous most of 23 hours in a day. I must say though that the moments that I found myself amongst my best friends and a crowd of people singing and sweating, laughing and moving to words, melodies, and busted up rhythms that we created in a beat up warehouse in Florida, were nothing but pure magic. Even through the hard times we always laughed, wrote, fought, slept, drank, and rocked to found our way to why we were there to begin with. We had to. It was our duty and our responsibility to ourselves, each other as brothers and to the good people who would come to support us through all of it. A lot of you would always ask us if we were ok. How the tours were treating us. How we survived. How we did it and why we did it for so long. A lot of the times we weren't. Some of the times we were truly on top of the world. It was the calling, it was the healing, and it was the enlightenment that was felt after releasing every ounce of energy, thought, and motion throughout a show. It was as we once called it, "The Lifting." Even though at times of being there and putting ourselves through what we had to do to get up on that stage and let it rip like it was our last was more hurtful to ourselves than anything, you sacrificed for us, let us sacrifice for you.

Thank you my friends for a decade of support, loyalty and dedication. Thank you for growing up with us living and learning the hard way most of the time. You made it for us. I hope we did the same for you! Thank you for the memories, the support and all of your gracious attention through all of our transitions, battles, broken sticks and strings, breakdowns and revelations that we were able to turn into music. You fueled this fire! What you taught us on this road has been absolutely priceless. I wish all the best in luck, love, and life to each and every one of you and yours. You have helped mold us into the people we are today and it will never be forgotten.

Take care of each other.
Chuck Ragan

It's not easy to leave something behind or to start something over. That is all that happened here. There is no bullshit drama between, so please don't create any. Clearing the air about this is a good thing, for sure. Figuring on you having read Chuck's statement, I'll feel free to reiterate his thanks to all of you who have supported us over the years. It's cliché but true—without you we wouldn't have ever been able to experience any of the amazing things we did as Hot Water Music.

It's definitely not easy to end something that was such a large part of our lives for so long, but it is most definitely time to put the beast to bed. We always said that we would go out when things were still good and true, and hopefully we did. There's nothing worse than watching a band you love go through the motions, aside from being in that band.

To wrap this up, I ask one thing of you all—don't make this anything other than it is. People make difficult decisions everyday. It's not easy to leave something behind or to start something over. That is all that happened here. There is no bullshit drama between, so please don't create any.

We sincerely hope that you all find time to follow our new projects, Chuck with his solo work and Chris, George, and myself with The Draft.

Thanks again, it was a blast.

Peace
Black

andysoa · 15th May 2006, 11:51 AM

that is bad news that was one band i was really wanting to see!

Baz · 15th May 2006, 12:15 PM

Chris, George and Jasons new band are sounding good tho, some consolation i guess

www.thedraftband.com

also, if Rumbleseat is anything to go by, Chucks solo stuff will be mint. every cloud....

Kenny · 15th May 2006, 01:05 PM

It's been coming for ages, and the last couple of albums were pretty poor so it's probably for the best, really. Still a pity, though.

Rich · 15th May 2006, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don

also, if Rumbleseat is anything to go by, Chucks solo stuff will be mint. every cloud....

fuck aye.

shame about the split, but the last two albums haven't been totally amazing.

Baz · 15th May 2006, 01:27 PM

indeed. i think everything will be alllllright

Deeker · 15th May 2006, 03:51 PM

Gutted.

I never did see HWM. I was sick when they played Tut's and I had to give away my ticket.

Seeck!

MotioN · 15th May 2006, 05:24 PM

bloody gutted, i loved HWM

neilcoalesce · 15th May 2006, 09:31 PM

Aye, it's sad but they left a good legacy. And Chuck's solo stuff should be interesting. Am I the only person who thought "The New What's Next" was a great album?

Deeker · 15th May 2006, 09:45 PM

I think it's a fantastic album. It seems to signal a send off of sorts when listening to it again.

I have no doubt that whatever comes next from both parties will be ace. They've been a very important band to me and the nature of their spilt reflects everything that I love about them.

I didn't really get so into the Suicide Machines, not for disliking them tho, and they were kick-ass when I saw them live.

Kierkegaard · 15th May 2006, 11:40 PM

Suicide Machines first record was pretty good, and as far as I remember their second one wasn't bad either. All went a bit tits up from there on in, though.

Baz · 16th May 2006, 09:49 AM

totally. destruction by definition is a fucking classic. always a shame when a band peaks with their first release.

15th May 2006, 10:58 AM	#1 (permalink)
Baz Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dundee Posts: 4,579 Band: 15 Minutes	Hot Water Music + Suicide Machines have both SPILT. pretty shite like. im more gutted about HWM, i suppose you could argue that their best material had been behind them for a few albums. still shit. im just glad i saw em at least once. king tuts, ahhhh. LENGTHY article below, from punknews.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------- After more than a decade together, a letter from Chuck Ragan suggests that Hot Water Music's extended break is now a break up. In the letter, Ragan explains: My friends, Hot Water Music as we all knew it is no longer. A great chapter in our lives has come to a close. We must say so long, and farewell. This is not to say by any means that we will never take a stage again together or find our way onto some tracks together, but where we are in our lives at this moment, it won't be anytime soon. He goes on to talk about some of his future plans, including a "long overdue" solo record. Former bandmate Jason Black also had a short letter addressing Chuck's comments and talking about the split and the future. For the entirety of both, you can click Read More. In a moving world, some days shine and some days burn. We more so accept than create random acts of movement. Those acts of movement make us who we are. At some point they become intentional means of survival. Then as we all know, sooner or later it becomes a survival where we see fit. My friends, Hot Water Music as we all knew it is no longer. A great chapter in our lives has come to a close. We must say so long, and farewell. Early in the days of all of this I never thought to question outcomes or reactions to my actions. I did what I did and was fueled by words from loved ones, a drive for life and an undying misery of always being on the cusp of understanding (or not), our disarray of society. I found purpose and strength through my best friends, music, and a quest for the truth. Throughout that journey, I became who I am today. I also found the day in and day out monotony of the road and the "job" that HWM had become, had taken a serious toll. Just as I have done throughout my life when my heart turns in a direction for the sake of well being, I followed it. HWM has always been to me living true, free and unbound. Stay true to who you are to begin with and you'll be true to who you are in the end. This is a letter primarily directed to all of our fans, family, and friends. A lot of you have been left in the dark as to why we decided to stop touring as HWM in the first place. For this I must apologize. Though this letter should have happened a while back, it has taken us all a bit of time to acclimate to where we are in life. Stepping off a moving merry-go-round if you will. I must say overall this is a letter of gratitude, as well as a letter to expel any rumors or things that have lead anyone in the wrong direction as far as what has, is and will be taking place in the life of song for all of us. My friends, Hot Water Music as we all knew it is no longer. A great chapter in our lives has come to a close. We must say so long, and farewell. This is not to say by any means that we will never take a stage again together or find our way onto some tracks together, but where we are in our lives at this moment, it won't be anytime soon. This is mainly a public announcement to let everyone know that we have all moved into different directions within our personal and professional lives. As far as our own music goes none of us are slowing down in anyway. George, Jason, and Chris are moving full steam ahead with The Draft as their primary focus and I'm paddling my own canoe. I'm working on a solo record that's long overdue and having a damn good time with it. I'll play shows, but for making my way and a living, I'm called to cutting big sticks into little sticks. For me in many ways, wood has all the same properties as music. I have just as much passion for shaping and working wood as I do playing my guitar or writing a song. They're one in the same and don't even get me started on fishing! So the music will never die, just evolve. I'm moving on a different plane. Ready to settle down, write more songs, make more records, catch more fish, make love and babies with my sweet wife, slide sideways down mountains, build large structures that I draw on paper, and grow more food than we buy. So none of us are gone. Just evolved. So none of us are gone. Just evolved. I must say that I have never in my life ever known such a display of dedication, desire, and will to carry on than through the HWM fans around the world. I don't believe I could ever truly find the right words to express my gratitude and sincere thanks to all the amazing souls who sacrificed what they had to make it to our shows and make them live! All those who traveled, followed, escaped, sneaked in or barged in to be apart of this movement. You are all a huge reason that we survived through days that most don't. Some of you know the tolls and trials of the road. As well as the glories and lights at the end of the tunnels. Some of you may be completely oblivious as to what it can do to a spirit and a body by subjecting yourself to what can be an extremely unhealthy way of life. It can most definitely feel like your being torn apart from the inside out at times. To say the least, it can be far from glamorous most of 23 hours in a day. I must say though that the moments that I found myself amongst my best friends and a crowd of people singing and sweating, laughing and moving to words, melodies, and busted up rhythms that we created in a beat up warehouse in Florida, were nothing but pure magic. Even through the hard times we always laughed, wrote, fought, slept, drank, and rocked to found our way to why we were there to begin with. We had to. It was our duty and our responsibility to ourselves, each other as brothers and to the good people who would come to support us through all of it. A lot of you would always ask us if we were ok. How the tours were treating us. How we survived. How we did it and why we did it for so long. A lot of the times we weren't. Some of the times we were truly on top of the world. It was the calling, it was the healing, and it was the enlightenment that was felt after releasing every ounce of energy, thought, and motion throughout a show. It was as we once called it, "The Lifting." Even though at times of being there and putting ourselves through what we had to do to get up on that stage and let it rip like it was our last was more hurtful to ourselves than anything, you sacrificed for us, let us sacrifice for you. Thank you my friends for a decade of support, loyalty and dedication. Thank you for growing up with us living and learning the hard way most of the time. You made it for us. I hope we did the same for you! Thank you for the memories, the support and all of your gracious attention through all of our transitions, battles, broken sticks and strings, breakdowns and revelations that we were able to turn into music. You fueled this fire! What you taught us on this road has been absolutely priceless. I wish all the best in luck, love, and life to each and every one of you and yours. You have helped mold us into the people we are today and it will never be forgotten. Take care of each other. Chuck Ragan It's not easy to leave something behind or to start something over. That is all that happened here. There is no bullshit drama between, so please don't create any. Clearing the air about this is a good thing, for sure. Figuring on you having read Chuck's statement, I'll feel free to reiterate his thanks to all of you who have supported us over the years. It's cliché but true—without you we wouldn't have ever been able to experience any of the amazing things we did as Hot Water Music. It's definitely not easy to end something that was such a large part of our lives for so long, but it is most definitely time to put the beast to bed. We always said that we would go out when things were still good and true, and hopefully we did. There's nothing worse than watching a band you love go through the motions, aside from being in that band. To wrap this up, I ask one thing of you all—don't make this anything other than it is. People make difficult decisions everyday. It's not easy to leave something behind or to start something over. That is all that happened here. There is no bullshit drama between, so please don't create any. We sincerely hope that you all find time to follow our new projects, Chuck with his solo work and Chris, George, and myself with The Draft. Thanks again, it was a blast. Peace Black

15th May 2006, 03:51 PM	#7 (permalink)
Deeker UGS-ST Coordinator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Under The Reign Of Fascists Posts: 1,573 Band: Tragical History Tour, The Try Hards, The ASBO Brothers, Doom-Ska Rising, The Pitchfork Retards	Gutted. I never did see HWM. I was sick when they played Tut's and I had to give away my ticket. Seeck! __________________ Is there a Nazi in the White House? And are his hands covered in blood? www.myspace.com/cowpunkrecordingsuk www.myspace.com/tragicalhistorytourmusic www.myspace.com/thetryhards www.myspace.com/theasbobrothers

15th May 2006, 09:45 PM	#10 (permalink)
Deeker UGS-ST Coordinator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Under The Reign Of Fascists Posts: 1,573 Band: Tragical History Tour, The Try Hards, The ASBO Brothers, Doom-Ska Rising, The Pitchfork Retards	I think it's a fantastic album. It seems to signal a send off of sorts when listening to it again. I have no doubt that whatever comes next from both parties will be ace. They've been a very important band to me and the nature of their spilt reflects everything that I love about them. I didn't really get so into the Suicide Machines, not for disliking them tho, and they were kick-ass when I saw them live. __________________ Is there a Nazi in the White House? And are his hands covered in blood? www.myspace.com/cowpunkrecordingsuk www.myspace.com/tragicalhistorytourmusic www.myspace.com/thetryhards www.myspace.com/theasbobrothers

15th May 2006, 11:51 AM	#2 (permalink)
andysoa Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: pitenweem(i wish) Posts: 1,107	that is bad news that was one band i was really wanting to see!

15th May 2006, 12:15 PM	#3 (permalink)
Baz Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dundee Posts: 4,579 Band: 15 Minutes	Chris, George and Jasons new band are sounding good tho, some consolation i guess www.thedraftband.com also, if Rumbleseat is anything to go by, Chucks solo stuff will be mint. every cloud....

15th May 2006, 01:05 PM	#4 (permalink)
Kenny Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Glasgow Posts: 456	It's been coming for ages, and the last couple of albums were pretty poor so it's probably for the best, really. Still a pity, though.

15th May 2006, 01:27 PM	#6 (permalink)
Baz Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dundee Posts: 4,579 Band: 15 Minutes	indeed. i think everything will be alllllright

15th May 2006, 05:24 PM	#8 (permalink)
MotioN Listen to Void! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Perth/Abernethy Posts: 7,483 Band: Allergo, Violent Response, Nekrocircus, RatpukE, Octopope	bloody gutted, i loved HWM

15th May 2006, 09:31 PM	#9 (permalink)
neilcoalesce Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Muppet Labs Posts: 1,337	Aye, it's sad but they left a good legacy. And Chuck's solo stuff should be interesting. Am I the only person who thought "The New What's Next" was a great album?

15th May 2006, 11:40 PM	#11 (permalink)
Kierkegaard Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Glasgow Posts: 923	Suicide Machines first record was pretty good, and as far as I remember their second one wasn't bad either. All went a bit tits up from there on in, though.

16th May 2006, 09:49 AM	#12 (permalink)
Baz Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dundee Posts: 4,579 Band: 15 Minutes	totally. destruction by definition is a fucking classic. always a shame when a band peaks with their first release.